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[adwarf]

Well here is my first kick at military ships for this scenario, keep in mind that its not optimized or anything because the way I want the scenario to run and the fact that the ships are supposed to be old obsolete vessels salvaged for a last resort.

Spoiler: California class Destroyer (click to show/hide)

California class Destroyer    10,900 tons     1255 Crew     2850.8 BP      TCS 218  TH 864  EM 0
3963 km/s     Armour 10-43     Shields 0-0     Sensors 12/6/0/0     Damage Control Rating 31     PPV 81.68
Maint Life 0.27 Years     MSP 163    AFR 950%    IFR 13.2%    1YR 610    5YR 9147    Max Repair 378 MSP
Magazine 59   

Ion Engine E4.2 (12)    Power 72    Fuel Use 42%    Signature 72    Armour 0    Exp 16%    Hyper Capable
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 19.7 billion km   (57 days at full power)

Twin 10cm C2 Visible Light Laser Turret (6x2)    Range 60,000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 6-4     RM 2    ROF 10        3 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
CIWS-320 (2x6)    Range 1000 km     TS: 32000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
12cm Railgun V7/C6 (4x4)    Range 140,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 7    ROF 5        2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1
10cm Railgun V1/C25 (2x4)    Range 10,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 3-25     RM 1    ROF 5        1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S01 100-12500 H50 (1)    Max Range: 200,000 km   TS: 12500 km/s     95 90 85 80 75 70 65 60 55 50
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.05 (1)     Total Power Output 126    Armour 0    Exp 7%

Size 1 Missile Launcher (6)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 15
Missile Fire Control FC5-R1 (1)     Range 5.8m km    Resolution 1

Active Search Sensor MR43-R82 (1)     GPS 6560     Range 43.5m km    Resolution 82
Thermal Sensor TH2-12 (1)     Sensitivity 12     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  12m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-6 (1)     Sensitivity 6     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  6m km

Compact ECCM-1 (1)         ECM 10

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Spoiler: Hornet class Fighter (click to show/hide)

Hornet class Fighter    490 tons     16 Crew     482.6 BP      TCS 9.8  TH 37.1  EM 30
10816 km/s     Armour 1-5     Shields 1-30     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3.15
Maint Life 10.08 Years     MSP 154    AFR 7%    IFR 0.1%    1YR 3    5YR 41    Max Repair 281 MSP
Magazine 1   

FTR Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E360 (1)    Power 105.6    Fuel Use 3600%    Signature 36.96    Armour 0    Exp 50%
Fuel Capacity 5,000 Litres    Range 0.5 billion km   (13 hours at full power)
Alpha R30/5 Shields (1)   Total Fuel Cost  5 Litres per day

10cm Railgun V1/C2 (1x4)    Range 10,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 3-2     RM 1    ROF 10        1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S01 100-12500 H50 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 200,000 km   TS: 50000 km/s     95 90 85 80 75 70 65 60 55 50

Size 1 Box Launcher (1)    Missile Size 1    Hangar Reload 7.5 minutes    MF Reload 1.2 hours
Missile Fire Control FC354-R120 (40%) (1)     Range 354.9m km    Resolution 120

Active Search Sensor MR8-R82 (1)     GPS 1312     Range 8.7m km    Resolution 82

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

Spoiler: Nimitz Class Frigate (click to show/hide)

Nimitz class Frigate    8,400 tons     576 Crew     613 BP      TCS 168  TH 600  EM 30
3571 km/s     Armour 1-36     Shields 1-30     Sensors 6/12/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 49.12
Maint Life 0.25 Years     MSP 46    AFR 564%    IFR 7.8%    1YR 185    5YR 2775    Max Repair 46 MSP

Ion Engine E0.8 (4)    Power 150    Fuel Use 8%    Signature 150    Armour 0    Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 133.9 billion km   (434 days at full power)
Alpha R30/5 Shields (1)   Total Fuel Cost  5 Litres per day

Twin 10cm C2 Visible Light Laser Turret (4x2)    Range 60,000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 6-4     RM 2    ROF 10        3 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
25cm Railgun V4/C3 (2x4)    Range 128,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 15-3     RM 4    ROF 25        5 5 5 5 4 3 2 2 2 2
Fire Control S04 64-2000 (1)    Max Range: 128,000 km   TS: 2000 km/s     92 84 77 69 61 53 45 37 30 22
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.05 (3)     Total Power Output 31.5    Armour 0    Exp 7%

Active Search Sensor MR8-R82 (1)     GPS 1312     Range 8.7m km    Resolution 82
Thermal Sensor TH1-6 (1)     Sensitivity 6     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  6m km
EM Detection Sensor EM2-12 (1)     Sensitivity 12     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  12m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Spoiler: Virgina class Carrier (click to show/hide)

Virginia class Carrier    17,400 tons     876 Crew     2343.1 BP      TCS 348  TH 750  EM 60
2155 km/s     Armour 1-59     Shields 2-200     Sensors 18/12/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 34
Maint Life 0.02 Years     MSP 84    AFR 2422%    IFR 33.6%    1YR 4469    5YR 67039    Max Repair 378 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6000 tons     Magazine 115   

Ion Engine E0.8 (5)    Power 150    Fuel Use 8%    Signature 150    Armour 0    Exp 1%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 64.7 billion km   (347 days at full power)
Gamma R200/20 Shields (1)   Total Fuel Cost  20 Litres per day

Gauss Cannon R2-8 (12x8)    Range 20,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Accuracy Modifier 8%     RM 2    ROF 5        1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
25cm Railgun V1/C25 (2x4)    Range 50,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 15-25     RM 1    ROF 5        5 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S04 64-2000 (1)    Max Range: 128,000 km   TS: 2000 km/s     92 84 77 69 61 53 45 37 30 22
Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.05 (2)     Total Power Output 252    Armour 0    Exp 7%

Size 3 Missile Launcher (4)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 45
Missile Fire Control FC52-R82 (1)     Range 52.1m km    Resolution 82

Active Search Sensor MR25-R20 (1)     GPS 1920     Range 25.8m km    Resolution 20
Thermal Sensor TH3-18 (1)     Sensitivity 18     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  18m km
EM Detection Sensor EM2-12 (1)     Sensitivity 12     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  12m km

Compact ECCM-2 (1)     ECCM-3 (1)         ECM 10

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

[Karlito]

You'll want more engineering spaces on all the large ships, at least so that their MSP is greater than their max repair. I usually aim for a Maintance life of 2 years, but at the very least you'll want your carrier to last more than the week it's currently slated for. I'd recommend having separate fire controls for the laser turrets and the railguns on your ships as well, and maybe more than one FC for the railgun batteries so they can target multiple hostiles at once. Get rid of the shields on all your ships: they aren't useful at that tech level (and even then they don't help if you only use one of them). Put more than one layer of armor on the carrier and frigate as well, they might not even be able to survive even one missile hit as they are. I'd

The fighter is kind of a mess. I'd recommend splitting it into two designs: one with missiles and one with railguns (if you really want to go with beam-armed fighters, they are kind of useless imo). Also, I don't know what kind of missile you're using, but the missile FC on the fighter has a range of 300 mkm, but your active sensor will only see targets out to 9 mkm. At least build the active sensor up to the range of the missile.

[Flying Dice]

Having more than one TF is really if you have lots of spare officers and want to RP a more divided fleet control.  Say putting flag bridges on command ships with each fleet to follow them around.

Task forces do absolutely nothing for giving officers assignments beyond allowing you to assemble multiple staff cabinets; typically you'll end up with better bonuses if you only have a single TF, as only the very best officers are on staff. The only purpose to having multiple task forces is if you want to bother building a (poorly organized, obtuse) table of organization, which serves quite literally no purpose within the game. Even AARs tend to not mention anything related to a TO. Everything that you can RP with multiple TFs can be done more easily with a united Fleet HQ TF divided into multiple bureaus and fleet commands.

adwarf:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 I know you said they were supposed to be obsolete, but damn. The single FC on that destroyer is obscene; you've got three different types of E/KW and a single compromise FC for them all. I'm also curious how you managed to get a 25,000km/s tracking speed with railguns on a ship with a vmax of ~4km/s, seeing as how they're spinal-mount/limited traverse weapons that can't be turreted. The single reactor is also a poor choice, but at least attributable to it being an old design. Assuming the S1 launchers are for AMMs, they'll be completely useless with an AS with that high of a resolution. Incidentally, the AS is a pile of crap that I wouldn't saddle anything with; R82 means that you'll see enemy ships at about the point where they're close enough to ram you. 

The fighter... ARGLEBLARGLE Y U PUT SHEILD ON FITER

Also, that AS is obscenely large for anything but a recon fighter; it tends to be much more efficient to rely on a spotter. Also, CRAMMING A RAILGUN INTO A FIGHTER!? AND THEN GIVING IT A SINGLE GODDAMN S1 BOX LAUNCHER AND A MASSIVELY SHITTY MFC THAT WON'T PICK UP A GODDAMN PLANET FROM HALF A METER AWAY!? WHY THE HELL DOES THE FIGHTER HAVE A DRIVE SEVERAL TLS ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE?


The frigate is slightly better, except for the pointless single shield and the shit AS. And the single FC for multiple types of weapon.

The carrier: MORE POINTLESS SHIELDS THAT'LL COLLAPSE AFTER HITTING A DUST-BUNNY. PUTTING OFFENSIVE KW ON A CARRIER. SLAVING RAILGUNS AND GAUSS CANNON TO THE SAME FC. PUTTING IN A COMPLETELY POINTLESS C-ECCM WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE ECCM. PUTTING ECCM ON A CARRIER. PUTTING MORE RANDOM MISSILES ON A CARRIER, EATING UP MAGAZINE SPACE THAT COULD BE USED TO REARM THE FIGHTERS.

At least the AS is almost acceptable.

But yes, no offense, but those don't look like they're old and obsolete, they look like you hired a team of particular dull chimps to design ships intended to fail in the most spectacular manner possible. Old doesn't equate to completely worthless in battle; a fleet composed of those ships likely wouldn't even see what killed it.

Low range, low deployment time. They can't see anything, they can't go anywhere, and they'll fall apart practically as soon as they leave orbit.

In case you couldn't tell, that mortally offended my internal designer and internal engineer.  No insults intended towards you personally. If you need help in creating efficient designs, just ask. Remember that just because a ship is outdated doesn't mean it's crap; an old ship should still be fairly effective fighting machine against a comparable level of technology, not a random pile of stuff thrown together.

The gist is this: They can't see anything, they can't go anywhere worth going to, and they'll fall apart practically as soon as they leave orbit.


Edit: Wow. Maybe I shouldn't reread the ANGRY MARINE codex while high on post-successful-exam, sleep deprivation, and about a gallon of strong coffee. I think I said goodbye to my inhibitions a few islands back.

[LoSboccacc]

I'm glad I never posted that 4-gauss turret fac, that would have caused you a heart attack 

[Flying Dice]

I'm glad I never posted that 4-gauss turret fac, that would have caused you a heart attack 

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

[Shooer]

Actually TF cabinets (as long as this is still functional) only provide their bonuses to ships with in it's TF while those fleets are in the same system as it.  So that is the whole reason for flag bridges, other than getting 7 extra officers killed with your command ship.

On that note: I've never made more than one, since most of my games don't go on long enough for me to expand far enough that I set up a second permanent focal point other than my HW.  Let alone having spare officers of suitable rank (what with my minimum level 3 training policy).

[Flying Dice]

Actually TF cabinets (as long as this is still functional) only provide their bonuses to ships with in it's TF while those fleets are in the same system as it.  So that is the whole reason for flag bridges, other than getting 7 extra officers killed with your command ship.

On that note: I've never made more than one, since most of my games don't go on long enough for me to expand far enough that I set up a second permanent focal point other than my HW.  Let alone having spare officers of suitable rank (what with my minimum level 3 training policy).

Your training policy level doesn't affect how many officers you recruit, it affects the amount of crew produced per year and the initial training level of non-conscript crewed ships. The only thing that changes how many officers you recruit (on average, of course) is the level of your academy.

In any case, establishing a second TF would be largely pointless; if I ever needed the bonuses (other than the training) that desperately, I'd assign the FHQ to a flagship; no point sending out officers with bonuses that aren't the best if you're going to do it at all. The nature of Aurora AI makes it unlikely in the extreme that you'll ever be in a situation where you need to conduct two full, simultaneous fleet offenses in different systems.

[Metalax]

Once I start exploring out of Sol I'll usually be running four TF HQ's.

Training HQ - Just commander + op's officer with highest crew training ratings - For fleet training of new ships.

Survey HQ - Just commander + survey officer - Rides along with the survey swarm.

Expeditionary HQ - All bar survey officer(and fighter ops if no fighters) - Travels with combat forces for operating outside of Sol.

Sol HQ - All bar survey officer(and fighter ops if no fighters) - Everything else.

More HQ's may be set up later to cover other major systems.

[Flying Dice]

Mm, my survey efforts are too dispersed for that to work for me.

[JacenHanLovesLegos]

I didn't quite mean to spark that discussion, but I'm gonna stick to one TF from now on.

[Flying Dice]

If I'm to be perfectly honest, TFs are one of the things which fall under the umbrella of 'too much uninteresting micro', at least for me. :|

[Wrex]

So,Dl'd it, and have no idea what I am doing. Any good beginner's guide?

[Karlito]

No, but if you look around on here there are a lot of bad beginner's guides.

EDIT: Actually, the beginner's guides on the wiki now seem to be significantly better than the ones I had to use, so there's that.

[Flying Dice]

The beginner's guide is a ten-pound hammer. The game is an anvil. Insert hand to play.


I jest. Follow the partially-completed guides until you get stumped, then ask us. I'm a chronic shut-in and don't have anything better to do than continually refresh B12 waiting for new responses.

...

That was a joke, mostly. I also have games. 

[Wrex]

Any...Outstanding bugs I should be aware of?