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[Earthquake Damage]

Arn't missles made in the same builder (sort of) as the ship builder?

So you could make giant missles?

Giant missiles need giant launchers, missile cost scales linearly with size (assuming the same MSP ratios), and large missiles are just as easy to shoot down as small ones (since you probably aren't wasting MSPs on heavy armor).  The AI just loves anti-missile missiles, so blowing your load on a few easy-to-stop missiles is careless when you could easily land some hits with smaller ones.  The benefit of large missiles is in penetration since they can carry larger warheads.

Also, something to think about with missiles:  You can go the penetration route (optimal warhead sizes are perfect squares e.g. 1, 4, 9, 16) or the sandpaper route (swarms of WH 1 missiles to bypass missile defenses, but you have to pretty much remove all the enemy's armor before you reach the juicy bits).

[Boksi]

Just started a new game. Gonna try a new type of strategy this time.

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Scaladar class Carrier    10,500 tons     587 Crew     1159.6 BP      TCS 210  TH 105  EM 0
1428 km/s     Armour 1-42     Shields 0-0     Sensors 44/44/0/0     Damage Control Rating 3     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 294%    IFR: 4.1%    Maint Capacity 2207 MSP    Max Repair 44 MSP    Est Time: 5.34 Years
Hangar Deck Capacity 2000 tons     Magazine 960   

Sandal Ship Engine (12)    Power 25    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 8.75    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 750,000 Litres    Range 142.8 billion km   (1157 days at full power)

Javelin MIRV (44)  Speed: 5,000 km/s   End: 1000m    Range: 300.8m km   WH: 0    Size: 20    TH: 8 / 5 / 2
Watchpost System (4)  Speed: 5,000 km/s   End: 333.4m    Range: 100m km   WH: 0    Size: 20    TH: 8 / 5 / 2

Thermal Owl Eyes (1)     Sensitivity 44     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  44m km
Electromagnetic Owl Eyes (1)     Sensitivity 44     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  44m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

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Goblin class Scout    1,000 tons     96 Crew     127.5 BP      TCS 4  TH 17.5  EM 0
2500 km/s     Armour 1-8     Shields 0-0     Sensors 11/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 32%    IFR: 0.4%    Maint Capacity 20 MSP    Max Repair 50 MSP    Est Time: 1.12 Years

Sandal FAC Engine (1)    Power 50    Fuel Use 900%    Signature 17.5    Armour 0    Exp 15%
Fuel Capacity 40,000 Litres    Range 8.0 billion km   (37 days at full power)

Thermal Eyes (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
Electromagnetic Eyes (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
Cloaking Device: Class cross-section reduced to 20% of normal

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


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Spectre class Cruiser    10,500 tons     1327 Crew     1214.6 BP      TCS 210  TH 105  EM 0
1428 km/s     Armour 1-42     Shields 0-0     Sensors 44/44/0/0     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 80
Annual Failure Rate: 176%    IFR: 2.4%    Maint Capacity 361 MSP    Max Repair 100 MSP    Est Time: 1.52 Years
Magazine 560   

Sandal Ship Engine (12)    Power 25    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 8.75    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 19.0 billion km   (154 days at full power)

MIRV Launcher (4)    Missile Size 20    Rate of Fire 300
Long Range Fire Control (1)     Range 295.1m km    Resolution 80
Javelin MIRV (26)  Speed: 5,000 km/s   End: 1000m    Range: 300.8m km   WH: 0    Size: 20    TH: 8 / 5 / 2
Watchpost System (2)  Speed: 5,000 km/s   End: 333.4m    Range: 100m km   WH: 0    Size: 20    TH: 8 / 5 / 2

Thermal Owl Eyes (1)     Sensitivity 44     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  44m km
Electromagnetic Owl Eyes (1)     Sensitivity 44     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  44m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


Is it obvious what I'm gonna do?

[Micro102]

Stop making me want to play this again

I'm just gonna get mad at the 5 sec increment battles again.

[Duuvian]

Is it possible to make an armored missile?

EDIT: No seriously. Then you could make it big.

[Micro102]

Yes you can, but I don't think it related to the explosive power. Armored missiles basically keeps them from being destroyed instantly by missile defense systems.

[Tarran]

And armoring a missile reduces it's overall performance due making the missile bigger. That's why not a lot of people armor their missiles.

[Micro102]

I think it's worth it, a small amount of armor can cut the effectiveness of defense systems in half, so unless your paying twice as much for the armor/extra fuel/extra speed your going to be making a profit, not to mention that you'll be saving on ammo storage space.

[Earthquake Damage]

I'm pretty sure Steve explained how missile armor works, once upon a time.  IIRC the chance of a hit destroying the missile is [damage] / [damage + armor].  So a gauss/CIWS hit has a 1 in (armor + 1) chance of destroying it.  A 10cm laser has a 3 in (armor + 3) chance.  And so forth.

Exceptions:  Plasma torpedoes have some sort of inherent armor, so lasers on point defense are highly recommended.  Mesons ignore armor for normal missiles but not plasma torps.

I couldn't find his post on normal missile armor just now, so take that with a grain of salt.  He has a few short posts on torpedo "armor" here.

[Another]

By analyzing some combat logs I've got an impression that plasma torpedoes have effective armor proportional to their remaining strength. I think it was like 1 or 2 hits from a gauss CIVS at near max range and about 8-10 hits at mid-range for size 32 torps. My conclusion was that it was impossible to build enough PD against a medium-sized group of Invaders.

My estimates were that same resources at the same tech level as PD would be more effectively spent on enough conventional shields to provide better results. If I ever to play again with Invaders on I would try that route + meson fighters as strike force instead of volleys of costly missiles.

[Rift]

Aurora 5.4 is Released! [it may be a unstable version]

Change Log
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Reduced Height Windows (Resolution of 1280x800 required) [800 vertical screen resolution option]
New Interrupt Override option [can overide all interrupts]
New Multiple Targets option for the Battle Control window [auto-target similar targets]
Added a Refit Cost check to the Class Window
Fire Delay is no longer an interrupt event.
New event of reloading complete for missile launchers of parasites in hangar bay.
On landing, parasites are automatically assigned new missiles from their mothership's magazine based on their class loadout
Hostile ground unit names are displayed when an an enemy unit is destroyed or suffers casualties.
Populations are checked for incoming mineral packets if you attempt to pick up the last mass driver on the surface.

Bug Fixes
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Fixed problem where parasites were not being refuelled properly when using the new landing orders
Damage from ramming is now included in the danger rating for a system
When moving to the nearest trade location, freighters now check if the current system should be excluded due to its danger rating
When clearing orders for commercial shipping, the ships will correctly set standard transits through jump points rather than squadron transits.
Removed incorrect shield recharge messages for alien ships that don't even have shields.
Fixed incorrect reporting of absorption shield recharge rate for tactical intelligence
Prevented NPRs from launching missiles/PT at colony targets from outside the range of their missiles.
Corrected bug that applied collateral damage against populations when a ship in orbit was damaged.
Fixed bug that prevented ships from launching anti-missiles in certain circumstances.
Fixed bug that sometimes caused colony ships to deliver colonists to unsuitable planets with orbital habitats already at max capacity
Fixed bug that repeated number of fighters built if multiple fighters of the same type were constructed during the same 5-day increment
Ships transferred from Empire A to Empire B and then back to Empire A no longer create a duplicate class for Empire A.
Fixed salvage bug that resulted in '0x Component' being recovered.
Fixed bug where the number of components on a planet is not reduced if only a fraction of a component is loaded by a freighter
Ship and fighter commanders are unassigned when their ship/fighter is scrapped or deleted. If the ship is in orbit of a population, they are placed at that population.
Commanders of expended replacement battalions are now unassigned.
Various bugs involving ground units and populations that result from the defeat of robotic guardians should be fixed
More changelong info
Patch thread

[Akigagak]

Fuck yes, it's now playable.

Now to paw dumbly at the many menus.

[JWNoctis]

Now if only 5.40 actually works...Have to wait for a hotfix it would seems.

[Deon]

Yep, 5.40 spams a lot of form load erros with "path not found" and somethng else for me . Just when I wanted to try to get into this game.

[Hugehead]

Good to know I'm not the only one who gets those errors, any of the recent updates just give me error chains too.

[Rift]

Yep, 5.40 spams a lot of form load erros with "path not found" and somethng else for me . Just when I wanted to try to get into this game.

Yea it gave me errors when i tried to create a new game, which was fixed when i did a fresh install.

you could try a completely fresh install [the 4.9 install /patch] + 5.4, which is working fine for me atm.

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My newest empire ran into precursers one jump away from sol, and is now trading blows.. Throwing missile salvos against the bigger ships seems to be working in my favor, but the little fighters were annoying. The biggest issue is their missiles are sooo much faster then my missile tracking technology. The fact they are so much faster isn't as big of issue[other then the inability to say, run away and not all die].. the fact that 80%+ of their missiles get through... means i lose a ship in each salvo. At the moment, my main battlefleet managed to inflict heavy loses on the precursers but is pretty much doomed to be completely and utterly whipeded out due to the inability to retreat]