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[ThtblovesDF]

Okay, I played a new game and didn't see a single npr after checking out all jump points, so I went to sm and orderd it to make one... now I reexplored all the systems I can reach and all planets on it, but didn't find anything... besides this very strange cluster of missles that don't move and just sit there... mines?

(Oh, side question: How do I tow something? I might build a missle base or something sometime and put it out next to a jump gate with hostiles behind it)

[Journier]

Okay, I played a new game and didn't see a single npr after checking out all jump points, so I went to sm and orderd it to make one... now I reexplored all the systems I can reach and all planets on it, but didn't find anything... besides this very strange cluster of missles that don't move and just sit there... mines?

(Oh, side question: How do I tow something? I might build a missle base or something sometime and put it out next to a jump gate with hostiles behind it)

They are probably sensor missiles since they are so large..

you build a tug boat with lots of engines since it needs them to move a much larger ship once it latches on.

You put a ship to ship tractor beam on it with lots of engines and fuel and your all set. it latches onto the selected ship and fly's whereever you direct it to go.

[ThtblovesDF]

Yeah, I don't understand the last part "How do I letch on/make contact/Connect the ships"

Didn't find the option in the f12 menu or in the ships stuff... :I

[Journier]

Yeah, I don't understand the last part "How do I letch on/make contact/Connect the ships"

Didn't find the option in the f12 menu or in the ships stuff... :I

sorry bout that,

Go to the F6 screen press the misc tab, select tractor link drop down and all ships in system should be listed there to tractor, you then select and press create link button.

I think im gonna put this annoying shit on the wiki.

[forsaken1111]

It's amusing to me that the Bay12 community is filling out so much of their wiki

[Journier]

well as long as the game keeps a community it will eventually get filled out hopefully...

[ThtblovesDF]

I throw me at your mercy bay12 and seek your eternal wisdom. Here are 3 Designs for my new start. I started with one massiv shipyard (32 000 tons) and just had to use it...

Anyway, I made these classes:

Templar - Main line Ship, 10 000 tons   5xsize 10 missle lauchers
(3 variations of that, one for em one for active and one for thermal, each with the best possible sensor for there class and matching weapons)

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Templar EM class Missile Frigate    10000 tons     1247 Crew     4540.25 BP      TCS 200  TH 600  EM 0
6000 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 6-41     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/2000/0/0     Damage Control Rating 11     PPV 50
Annual Failure Rate: 72%    IFR: 1%    Maint Capacity 3121 MSP    Max Repair 2000 MSP    Est Time: 1.57 Years
Magazine 243   

J10000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 10000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Light Plasma Core Anti-matter Drive E1 ARM-3 (4)    Power 300    Fuel Use 10%    Signature 150    Armour 3    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 120,000 Litres    Range 216.0 billion km   (416 days at full power)

CIWS-600 (1x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 60000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Size 10 Missile Launcher (5)    Missile Size 10    Rate of Fire 40
Size 10 EM Seeker Anti-ship Missile (24)  Speed: 114,000 km/s   End: 52.6m    Range: 360m km   WH: 12    Size: 10    TH: 532 / 319 / 159

EM Detection Sensor EM50-2000 (1)     Sensitivity 2000     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  2000m km
ECCM-3 (2)         ECM 20

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

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Crusader - Destroyer, with cannon layout for 750,000 to 500 000 range area and a
               80x Size 4 missle laucher box set with very fast rockets for 450 m

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Crusader class Destroyer    15000 tons     1345 Crew     9435.5 BP      TCS 300  TH 2100  EM 0
7000 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 12-54     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 73     PPV 84
Annual Failure Rate: 54%    IFR: 0.8%    Maint Capacity 12975 MSP    Max Repair 2975 MSP    Est Time: 3.5 Years
Magazine 320   

J15000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 15000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
SAVE Plasma Core Anti-matter Drive E1 ARM-8 (7)    Power 300    Fuel Use 10%    Signature 300    Armour 8    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 160,000 Litres    Range 192.0 billion km   (317 days at full power)

R108/C10 Meson Cannon (4)    Range 750,000km     TS: 15000 km/s     Power 24-10     RM 108    ROF 15        1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
CIWS-600 (5x12)    Range 1000 km     TS: 60000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Fire Control S03 375-15000 (1)    Max Range: 750,000 km   TS: 15000 km/s     99 97 96 95 93 92 91 89 88 87
Beam Core Anti-matter Power Plant Technology PB-1 AR-8 (1)     Total Power Output 128    Armour 8    Exp 5%

Size 4 Box Launcher (80)    Missile Size 4    Hangar Reload 30 minutes    MF Reload 5 hours
Missile Fire Control FC400-R1 (1)     Range 12.0m km    Resolution 1
Missile Fire Control FC1700-R1 (40%) (1)     Range 51.0m km    Resolution 1
Size 4 500mkm Strike Rocket (80)  Speed: 150,000 km/s   End: 55m    Range: 495m km   WH: 9    Size: 4    TH: 750 / 450 / 225

ECCM-3 (1)         ECM 20

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

Hospitaller - A massiv beast that causes errores each time I just look at it (and its not even built yet) A massiv dead star like lazer and a set of size 50 missle lauchers with there own special package.

It also scans and resupplys everyone in a massiv area.
The rockets of choice can be massiv long range, single doom rockets to destroy other super heavys or cute little things like a rocket the explodes into 20x rockets after a certain distance. Also support unmanned stations with massiv sensors.

Anyway, in detail: 

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Hospitaller class Superdreadnought    32350 tons     3433 Crew     21603.85 BP      TCS 647  TH 4200  EM 0
6491 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 26-90     Shields 0-0     Sensors 200/160/0/0     Damage Control Rating 181     PPV 125
Annual Failure Rate: 137%    IFR: 1.9%    Maint Capacity 26458 MSP    Max Repair 5000 MSP    Est Time: 2.29 Years
Flag Bridge    Magazine 675   
Maintenance Modules: 1 module(s) capable of supporting ships of 200 tons

J32500(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 32500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
SAVE Plasma Core Anti-matter Drive E1 ARM-8 (14)    Power 300    Fuel Use 10%    Signature 300    Armour 8    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 400,000 Litres    Range 222.5 billion km   (396 days at full power)

80cm C10 Extreme X-ray Laser (1)    Range 750,000km     TS: 15000 km/s     Power 168-10     RM 9    ROF 85        168 168 168 168 168 168 168 168 168 151
CIWS-600 (9x12)    Range 1000 km     TS: 60000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Fire Control S03 375-15000 (1)    Max Range: 750,000 km   TS: 15000 km/s     99 97 96 95 93 92 91 89 88 87
Beam Core Anti-matter Power Plant Technology PB-1 AR-8 (1)     Total Power Output 192    Armour 8    Exp 5%

Size 50 Missile Launcher (2)    Missile Size 50    Rate of Fire 190
Missile Fire Control FC1700-R1 (40%) (1)     Range 51.0m km    Resolution 1
Size 50 700 total range, 500 m/km split 6 (3)  Speed: 24,000 km/s   End: 350m    Range: 504.2m km   WH: 0    Size: 50    TH: 80 / 48 / 24
Size 50 20 Split 650 Total Sensor Range Missle (4)  Speed: 60,000 km/s   End: 120m    Range: 432.2m km   WH: 0    Size: 50    TH: 200 / 120 / 60
Size 50 DESTROYER MISSEL 500mkm (4)  Speed: 84,000 km/s   End: 100m    Range: 504m km   WH: 144    Size: 50    TH: 504 / 302 / 151
Size 50 Buoy (2)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 2880d    Range: 0m km   WH: 0    Size: 50    TH: 0 / 0 / 0

Active Search Sensor S5000-R20 (1)     GPS 100000     Range 1,000.0m km    Resolution 20
Thermal Sensor TH4-200 (70%) (1)     Sensitivity 200     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  200m km
EM Detection Sensor EM4-160 (1)     Sensitivity 160     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  160m km

ECCM-3 (2)         ECM 20

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

I feel I did better then last time, but can still improve a lot :I

[forsaken1111]

I had an idea yesterday of seeding single-use OWP's around jump points I wanted to defend and giving them nothing except massive box launchers filled with missiles which split into multiple missiles for a single huge strike which saturates point defense systems. It would be amusing and probably quite impressive... ONCE.

Then maybe a ring of fighter bases which would use the delay caused by the massive missile strike to launch fighters into range.

[ThtblovesDF]

Sounds pretty awesome :3

I am staying away from using fighters for now, but I try it again sometime... i want to test these designs in combat! I build another Super fast ship (15 000 km/s, under 10 000 tons) and hope it'll prove usefull in shoting down smaller things, something my other ships may lack I figured.


Nox class Cruiser   

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Nox class Cruiser    10000 tons     890 Crew     7186 BP      TCS 200  TH 3000  EM 0
15000 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 15-41     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 12     PPV 65
Annual Failure Rate: 66%    IFR: 0.9%    Maint Capacity 5389 MSP    Max Repair 1477 MSP    Est Time: 2.82 Years

J10000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 10000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
SAVE Plasma Core Anti-matter Drive E1 ARM-8 (10)    Power 300    Fuel Use 10%    Signature 300    Armour 8    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 240,000 Litres    Range 432.0 billion km   (333 days at full power)

Quad R108/C10 Meson Cannon Turret N96 (1x4)    Range 750,000km     TS: 50000 km/s     Power 96-40     RM 108    ROF 15        1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Fire Control S03 375-15000 H40 (1)    Max Range: 750,000 km   TS: 15000 km/s     99 97 96 95 93 92 91 89 88 87
Beam Core Anti-matter Power Plant Technology PB-1 AR-8 (1)     Total Power Output 128    Armour 8    Exp 5%

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

[Journier]

I would just like to state I just lost my first Battleship I ever built, weighing in around 28000 ton's she went down in a ball of flames due to auto targetting fail.

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turns out that auto targetting system works like shit for Point Defense against missiles when you have multiple fire control and pd weapons for each one. The ship had 20 lasers on turrets mounted that could have fended off atliest 10 missiles per wave and she went down against 4 missiles a wave

works decent i guess for missiles though...

[Journier]

Also the answer to our armour question is that the tech description is OLD and needs to be updated sigh... thats the 2nd tech ive found thats outdated so far.

so Armour works just like in the tutorials missiles do spread out damage lasers dig deeper and not as big of a hole. etc etc. once your down past the armour components are getting hit.

[ThtblovesDF]

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How do I asign a missile to a laucher?

I figured with 80 equal little rocket shaped thing and 80 little boxes that say "put rocket in" it would figure itself out...

[umiman]

ThtblovesDF: I don't recommend that 1x4 ship turret setup. If you plan to engage fast moving objects with that, especially missiles, it's inefficient. Missiles have 1hp, ignoring armor which is what mesons do. Having just 1 turret with 4 barrels is inefficient as you'd likely end up overkilling 1 missile and not being able to shoot at anything else coming to hit you within the next 4 seconds.

I think you would get much better performance with 2x2 with 2 point defense type fire controls. It can do the same job of the 1x4 (all 4 targeted at the same thing) but is versatile enough to split duties to shoot down two targets at once when it comes down to it. Really, your tracking speed and turning speed is high enough where it is unlikely you will repeatedly miss the same missile thrown at you by the AI.

p.s: your power plant is too powerful for that ship. Might want to look into that.

[Journier]

yea definately you have a

Beam Core Anti-matter Power Plant Technology PB-1 AR-8 (1)     Total Power Output 128

for what looks like a 24 power requirement on your weapon.

ALSO, supposedly everyone just uses a bunch of small power plants to acheive high power outputs, since you have less chance of a giant ship killing explosion / and losing all your power.

[ThtblovesDF]

Hey I figured there is 4x28, so I used the cloest power design i had to that.

Thanks a lot for the input!

What are the upsides of using a turret instead of just the weapon? I guess that it acts on its own and one can target more then one thing?

I'm out of wealth atm so can't produce, BUT i killed my first enemy

Sure, it was just 1200 tons and mine was 10 000 tons of raw firepower, but still! FIRST BLOOD!

Thanks for the input, I'll change it.