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[samantha]

you using the sdl or the legacy version of DF?

I went to the "About DF" on the main menu of the game and it says I have SDL...is that bad?

[Rose]

that's good.

now we just have to figure out why it's not working.

what does the log say?

[samantha]

that's good.

now we just have to figure out why it's not working.

what does the log say?

I looked for the log in the stonesense folder but couldn't find it, what's it called?

EDIT: I found a text file called "stonesense" and it had this:


Stonesense launched
Using allegro version 4.9.21 r1

[Rose]

okay, that's weird, because if it wouldn't connect, it would have been spamming that file with messages about not being able to connect. so that's not the problem.

try disabling the intro in the init.txt

[samantha]

okay, that's weird, because if it wouldn't connect, it would have been spamming that file with messages about not being able to connect. so that's not the problem.

try disabling the intro in the init.txt

Intro disabled, game-save reloaded, and still pressing F9 with nothing....

[Rose]

define nothing

just black screen?

with the intro disabled, you shouldn't need to press F9

[samantha]

define nothing

just black screen?

with the intro disabled, you shouldn't need to press F9

wait, WOW! THAT WORKED! I just-rechecked the init file and for some reason it didn't save....even though all I do is save files all today, it decided not to... :/

But I went back and made sure it saved, and it worked. Consider this the fix for the one other person who had the problem with pressing F9 and not getting any response from the program...

thank you!

[Jiri Petru]

I'm just wondering - what's the reason for Stonesense to be so slow, even when the game is paused? (I can only use Stonesense with paused DF, and even then it's responding slowly and is far from fluent). The graphics are very old-school, and the old games that look similarly run fast on modern computers. By this logic, Stonesense should be fast as lightning.

This isn't meant as whining, as I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason for it. I'm just curious what the reason is.

[Rose]

1: reading from DF is slow.

2: the graphics aren't well optimized.

if you turn on debug mode you can see three timers showing how long each step takes

[jonask84]

I'm just wondering - what's the reason for Stonesense to be so slow, even when the game is paused? (I can only use Stonesense with paused DF, and even then it's responding slowly and is far from fluent). The graphics are very old-school, and the old games that look similarly run fast on modern computers. By this logic, Stonesense should be fast as lightning.

This isn't meant as whining, as I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason for it. I'm just curious what the reason is.

The main reason is that 3rd party tools do not have direct memory access. It's as simple as that. If we want to read the world from DF, we have to copy each piece of data we want to read out. We can't access it directly, and this is what is causing most of the slow-down.

As Japa points out, the graphics take up a fair amount too. They could be more optimized, of course, but the issue is more complicated. First off, modern computers are geared towards 3D graphics, and can do billions of vertex and shading calculations per second. They're not geared towards 2D graphics at all. So any tile based Isometric engine you see, will do caching tricks, like only redrawing parts of the screen that has changed. This becomes exceedingly difficult to implement when you can not add "hooks" and event listeners into the actual game code.

That's the under-the-hood explanation.

[Fayrik]

Then, perhaps it should read only on the refresh cycle? From what I understand, it's doing a lot of tasks even when you turn the refresh to every movement.

(Numpad "-" lots, till the refresh vanishes.)

I dunno, but perhaps putting the animation cycles in with the refresh cycles would make things a lot faster - if a little bit less pretty.

[LoSboccacc]

If we want to read the world from DF, we have to copy each piece of data we want to read out

This becomes exceedingly difficult to implement when you can not add "hooks" and event listeners into the actual game code

*hacks at ReadMapSegment*

maybe one can have variable reload time for slower reads?
like, loading creatures every timeToReloadSegment, vegetation every other timeToReloadSegment and the world terrain every ten timeToReloadSegment?

shame I'm at work right now.

*makes mental note*

[Maxxeh]

let the update chase begin

[Dakk]

Gogogo, Stonesense is the only graphics set I approve of. Will be waiting for a new release

[Ipwnurmom221]

 Waiting for the third party software to update is one of the most annoying parts of updating.