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[Truean]

Yeah, but you wouldn't fly into a screaming violent rage at somebody for that would you? You wouldn't focus on that instead of a dead kid would you? Right? Clearly the issue should be how to address the police shooting a 12 year old, or teaching lawyers how to do the parts of their jobs that matter? That couldn't be appropriate would it? Dead kid or if a dot is slightly slanted.... Which should get the attention/which is more important to focus on?

[Vector]

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[Tack]

That sucks, T. I worry about things like that, because the first advice people will give is 'tuck your head in and rise to a point where you can change it', but after that amount of time spent lying to yourself, would you want to?
Eh. Too much philosophy for this time of night.


Multiple edits ahead

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I do take exception to the fact that you're put me (Yes, this was obviously pointed at me.) in a lot of positions I've never referred to myself as being in.
Again, I see gender and gender identity as two separate entities- most of our teenage years and the years after are us figuring out where on the latter we feel most comfortable, then if the former needs changing, you change it.
I don't judge people on their gender identity, you said that, not me. I don't see anything wrong with a man wearing a dress, you said that, not me.
Please stop throwing up strawmen to bludgeon. I am not a representation of the patriarchy, I am just one person with skewed views, and by throwing barbs at 'people whom' and 'those which', all you're doing is throwing it at me; the only person on here with that viewpoint, without giving me the courtesy of proper debate.

However, if it's actively hurting people, I'll start referring to people by whatever they want.
I mean, when it comes down to it, when we're on here, who's going to know anything by anything? Hell, I've already had enough trouble in my younger days wondering about whether or not any of the females on this board were actually female; before realizing that it really doesn't matter. Girls pretend to be boys on the internet and boys pretend to be girls. That'll happen; but it wasn't worth the pain caused to every girl on the boards who worked up the courage to identify themselves and then were immediately buried under everyone's skepticism. At least now there's a more even mix of perceived genders on the internet now, so the stigma is leaving.
So hey, maybe stopping the casual sexism of referring to everyone on the board as a 'he' until proven otherwise, dwarven prattchet style does make my life easier, but if it's actually causing people pain then I don't really have a leg to stand on if I want to continue with it; that'd just be cruelty for cruelty's sake.


Edit|Doubletake:
People absolutely have a right to deride One Direction, Justin Beiber and Twilight.
1. One Direction is just another boyband. Kids got shamed for backstreet boys, kids will get shamed for One Direction; so on with Boy bands until the end of time.
2. Justin Beiber seems like an example of celebrity worship gone wrong, and shows a backdrop of things that are wrong with modern society.
3. Twilight has been unequivocally stated as Bad Writing. It's also crazy popular. Also in less logical terms, she totally ruined vampires.

[Truean]

Trans stuff? [raises hand].

Hi, I'm regular Truean, not "freak."

"Freak" gets said at me, so there might be some mistake. Maybe my mistake?
Little things like, "Equality," and "Education" get reverently mentioned. The usual....
We're Americans, so we're all about this, we'd never stand for an
unconstitutional school funding system. We did, 15+ years, nothing done about it.
Well at least we're not confused if its unconstitutional to naked strip search 13 year old
girls on rumors she might have advil. We were for 6 years; the school isn't liable but shouldn't have.
Ok, but at least that kinda thing only targets suspicious kids who look guilty.
It doesn't; they're suspending pre schoolers, and they hold it against them long term.
Well at least we don't arbitrarily throw our own well behaved children on the
street. People do and they're not charged with child abuse, although it certainly is.
But surely we'd speak up if young people weren't getting a fair shake and at least they start
out able to earn.... Silently working unpaid for, "experience." Then they won't even give good references....
Alright but it eventually gets fair, and ... you'll never be able to retire....

I guess I just don't get it.

With all this we should be talking about, why is anybody talking about the contents of my underwear?
Aren't there enough things trying to screw everybody over without worrying about my privates, because I'm transgender?

I guess I  just don't get it.

ISIS and Snooki are releasing religious videos; thankfully not together, but it's still terrible.
The economy still sucks and has for years; Russia invaded Ukraine; and damn it, somebody cast Nicolas Cage in a terrible movie! 

With all this crap going on why does anybody care what transgender people do to cope with their medical condition?
Why does it affect my job even and especially when it doesn't change my ability to DO a job?
Why does it matter what gender the person saying something is as long as what they say is the truth?
Why does it effect my family situation and friends, even though I'm still at essence the same as I always was?
If I'm in a skirt, heels, cute blouse, matching bracelet/earring set, and a clutch purse why wouldn't I use the Ladies room,
because I'm pretty sure I'd get beaten up, at best, if I used the Men's room? I don't wanna die horribly right now and had to pee?

Wait a minute. Was all that reverent mention about "Equality," and "Education" just lip service (No question mark). Or did we actually mean it?
Are we gonna focus on what caused and how to solve the real problems or are we just gonna harass all the gay and transgender
people who didn't cause those problems? I mean, I'm just trying to plan my day, and knowing things in advance is helpful for scheduling, so...?


But hey, maybe I just don't get it?

And, what I really don't get, is why, with "Equality" and "Education" deteriorating, with all the things screwing over seemingly
everybody, people would go to all this trouble just over people like me and doing all these bad things to us. We never did anything to them.
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And here's the real bitch of it, I'm very good at what I do (see above), but again if I was honest with the world about who I am, I could say all the right things at exactly the right time in exactly the right way, for all the right reasons to all the right people for all the right results, but it'd mean nothing to people for one reason, and we both know why. So, I live a lie.

[Bauglir]

The lady asks some damn fine questions.

[alexandertnt]

Couldn't we just build all unisex bathrooms, to eliminate this "but what bathroom" thing?

[CaptainMcClellan]

To everyone of the Sad thread, I'd like to say goodbye. I'm too scared to post here anymore, but I'm not gonna say why. I'll be around elsewhere on the forums though, m'k? Umm... Sorry about your lawyer troubles Truean? But it's impossible to fix. :| I wish I could offer some kind of something about how it could be fixed or something to make you feel better, but it's impossible. Lawyers, as a whole, are corrupt. You can try to be an upright lawyer, but there's a quote in utopia is directly applicable. I wish I could remember it in its exactitude. Basically the gist of it is "You'll go over to the Dark Side or be crushed by it". There was some advice that mitigates the sting of that however, in an encouragement to try and affect policy indirectly. Use that to your advantage in whatever way you can, we can't both be pessimistic about it. :C Sorry... Truean. I hope you find somewhere tolerable.

Couldn't we just build all unisex bathrooms, to eliminate this "but what bathroom" thing?

Well, why not just eliminate public bathrooms altogether.

EDIT: Couldn't leave without some snark. Plus that's a really stupid idea. Bye now.

[Tack]

Someone's gotten their hands on your info, or have you pulled a KingKravosa?

I honestly don't know how to reply to any of that, half because I'm not American, and half because I'm trying to decide WHY it's effeminate to wear a dress.
Is it masculine for a woman to wear Jeans, a t-shirt, and have short hair? Does that mean that they should use the men's room? Why?
I think there's just still too much stigma on someone's gender identity.

Couldn't we just build all unisex bathrooms, to eliminate this "but what bathroom" thing?

No, because men are selfconcious pervs who don't enjoy waiting in line.

[Truean]

Well Captain M------, I don't ever remember having a problem with you and hope you know my last post was meant to inject some humor into the situation while still keeping it on the transgender whatever. Anyhow, thank you for your last post and I'm sorry it's your last post here. Best of luck and see you around I guess, and I hope I didn't scare you away.

[Lord Shonus]

Am I the only one that mistook Truean's post for a spambot at first (because of the formatting style and all the links?)

[Bauglir]

Sad to see you go, Captain. See you around.

Also, just had to pay a utility bill to keep the power from getting shut off - apparently a roommate hadn't done it yet because she was contesting some charge but seriously I cannot deal with losing electricity and running water right now over some 20 dollar fee.

[Tack]

Truean does not [citation required]
I usually expect plenty of links backing up whatever is being said.
It's rather informative actually.


For other coolkids using Darkling, does blue do the same things to your eyes as it does mine?

[Truean]

Speeches, spambots. Spambots, speeches. I always knew citations would lead to the robot uprising. Sneaky machines, I mean I for one love our new robot overlords....

(It's cool man. Don't worry about it).

I can relate to the utility bill crap. My mom's electric company was overestimating her usage and I knew it was crap. They fought me tooth and nail on it, because they like getting money. I checked the meter myself (which they insisted I didn't know how to do. I do). I got the bill reduced a month later but meh. Was a pain.

[alexandertnt]

For other coolkids using Darkling, does blue do the same things to your eyes as it does mine?

It messes with my focus or something like that. I've noticed this happening for other thin deep-blue lines on computer screens.

[WillowLuman]

Many ninjas

Spoiler: Philosophical waffling (click to show/hide)

People often compare the internet to "real life," but often times people post thoughts to the internet that they'd never (or seldom) express in person for many reasons, and often do so in a more articulate and/or deep ways than they would saying them aloud. You see, in some ways, more of people's true selves than you would with all that fancy body language, facial expression and intonation. Of course, people can idealize and mask themselves online, but they often present a false face in the flesh, too (as such is life), and so you see a different angle.

A lot of things are ultimately illusions. Gender, race, rank, and such are all constructs, and as such have no objective value. Of course, there are genes that cause people to have certain features, but the values we ascribe to those features are entirely arbitrary. This brings me to a conflict in my thoughts: I believe that nothing in the universe has intrinsic value or meaning, and it's up to us to decide what's meaningful and make a world we're all happier to live in. And many people put a great deal of value in their gender or race or point of origin or other characteristics, for various reasons, and it's important to respect what other people value. Just, sometimes it seems people put the emphasis on the wrong things.

Especially here on the internet, I think there's something a bit closer to people's true selves to be seen in their words and ideas, divorced from their physical selves. Of course, these are informed by their physicality in a feedback cycle...

I don't know. I guess I'm trying to say these things just shouldn't matter, but not in a way that invalidates that having XYZ characteristic is important to some people. Like, "Person happens to have XYZ characteristic" seems truer than "Person is XYZ"

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I would like to argue against equating dislike/bashing of Twilight to misogyny/transphobia, though.