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[Willfor]

Saint Paul, the Metal version.

[Tack]

A little easier for hippoman. At least the title clearly displays the gender.

Many of us are the opposite. Like jackrabbit. Only through personality would I ascertain that he is a man.



.... Giggle.

Teehee

RAH RAH SEX DEATH METAL TRUCKS RAH

... Quiet Titter. (in the literature form, not the pornography form.)


See? Also his profile said male.

[Hippoman]

Saint Paul, the Metal version.

Hmm.

Besides hating the music itself.
What the fuck are they saying?

[Vester]

Who was this Saint...Paul?

He was (unfortunately) one of the more prominent church thinkers back near the beginning, so important as to get his letters included in the New Testament.

He was also a woman-hating arsehole, among other things.

[Neonivek]

I do know that Paul's original name was Saul.

[Ampersand]

He was (unfortunately) one of the more prominent church thinkers back near the beginning, so important as to get his letters included in the New Testament.

He was also a woman-hating arsehole, among other things.

If by Prominent Church Thinker, you mean the primary founder of Christianity, then you are correct. If you mean that he was just some guy in the church who wrote letters, you are far off. His accounts of Jesus are the earliest known, perhaps the first known. His writings predate the authorship of every other book in the new testament. To diminish his role by calling him simply a prominent thinker is to be slightly misleading.

[Psyco Jelly]

There is no religion that sums up my beliefs, so for the sake of simplicity I call myself pagan. I believe in powerful spirits (human or otherwise) that can influence us, but I don't believe in any supreme being, as the universe seems to be too contradictory a place for any one ruler.

I don't believe in any kind of universal order of karma or anything, or even in the equality of humans. I think that you should just try and do your best with what you're given. I think that people should try to help other people, but not at the expense of their own happiness.

I guess you could say that I see the universe as a very chaotic place, and there is no reason the afterlife should be any less chaotic.

[Vester]

He was (unfortunately) one of the more prominent church thinkers back near the beginning, so important as to get his letters included in the New Testament.

He was also a woman-hating arsehole, among other things.

If by Prominent Church Thinker, you mean the primary founder of Christianity, then you are correct. If you mean that he was just some guy in the church who wrote letters, you are far off. His accounts of Jesus are the earliest known, perhaps the first known. His writings predate the authorship of every other book in the new testament. To diminish his role by calling him simply a prominent thinker is to be slightly misleading.

Yes, as in, one of the earliest Church Fathers that we know of. His stuff that informed a lot of the formation of Christianity.

I still don't like him, though.

[Hippoman]

just look at HES (there half girl have guy...his her) Avatar.

[LegoLord]

just look at HES (there half girl have guy...his her) Avatar.

Dude.  Just quit while you're not hopelessly behind.

[Ampersand]

He was (unfortunately) one of the more prominent church thinkers back near the beginning, so important as to get his letters included in the New Testament.

He was also a woman-hating arsehole, among other things.

If by Prominent Church Thinker, you mean the primary founder of Christianity, then you are correct. If you mean that he was just some guy in the church who wrote letters, you are far off. His accounts of Jesus are the earliest known, perhaps the first known. His writings predate the authorship of every other book in the new testament. To diminish his role by calling him simply a prominent thinker is to be slightly misleading.

Yes, as in, one of the earliest Church Fathers that we know of. His stuff that informed a lot of the formation of Christianity.

I still don't like him, though.

Try 'The Earliest'.

As far as can be told from independently verifiable sources, Paul is the first Christian in any recognizable way

[Vester]

Perhaps in terms of "recognizable as a Christian", but I'm certain there had to be proto-Christians found around the communities, while Paul's role was instrumental in getting them all together.

It's especially notable that he died even before Matthew and Luke's gospels were ostensibly written, since both gospels mention the 70 AD destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, setting them after that date.

Also, it probably helped that he was the the most educated of the Church Fathers. Ya know, being a Pharisee (I think) and all.

(Wait, was he a pharisee? I'm not sure).

[Whiskey Bob]

Atheist.  Although that doesn't really describe my views, which I guess would be humanist.

[Ampersand]

Also, it probably helped that he was the the most educated of the Church Fathers. Ya know, being a Pharisee (I think) and all.

(Wait, was he a pharisee? I'm not sure).

According to Acts, he was a Pharisee, but only by definition of being the son of one. Initially having the Greek name Saul, he was not born in Israel, but rather in the city Tarsus in modern day Turkey, which was at the time Culturally Greek and nationally Roman.

He lived until his later life as violently opposed to the Judaism. It's early days, Christianity was equated with Judaism by outsiders. Everything changed when, as he was wandering around a road, and he claims to have suddenly seen Jesus in a flash of light. There is no evidence that Paul was even aware of Jesus prior to his death.

After this event, he immediately goes to Jerusalem. Or he doesn't. It depends on which part of the bible you're reading. There he starts preaching about Jesus, or again, doesn't, as the bible says he wasn't there when the bible says he was there.

Fourteen years after this first visit that may or may not have happened, he visits Jerusalem for the first time. In those fourteen years, we know absolutely nothing about what Paul was up to, other than presumably not being in Jerusalem.

Basically everything that Paul said during his preaching and letter writing campaign was interpreted as being the absolute truth from that point on, and he became second only to Jesus in terms of the formation of Christian thought.

[MelloHero]

He was also a woman-hating arsehole, among other things.

I imagine that's based on the women-keeping-silent thing. I'm not looking over that, but I still cannot bring myself to ignore the fact that in other letters he told us that in Christ there is neither male nor female, in addition to referring to some women as friends and fellow leaders.

According to Acts, he was a Pharisee, but only by definition of being the son of one.

And by definition of being educated as one.

After this event, he immediately goes to Jerusalem. Or he doesn't. It depends on which part of the bible you're reading. There he starts preaching about Jesus, or again, doesn't, as the bible says he wasn't there when the bible says he was there.

Source that, please?

That said, I'm Christian. I've had troubles with some of the things I've been taught, but none of it has weakened my faith. I also believe in evolution and find no contradiction between it and the concept that God did the same.