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Author Topic: [MILK] There were 12 eggs here what did you do with them? (Happy thread?!)  (Read 16197851 times)

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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54825 on: June 24, 2011, 09:14:20 am »

Oh, I can tell you exactly how that's going to go down.  It'll be Victorian Hunchback, whatever the blurb claims, or going be the "thinger" comment, some really interpretive thing that winds up being a loose remake of Scissorhands.  Not that that's a bad thing mind you.

Yeah, I know.  I'm going to be especially pissed off if he white-washes Esmeralda... and that's the thing.  The story is already sort of like Edward Scissorhands, but with a. more tragedy and b. a hell of a lot more religion and c. a story not pivoting on the life experiences of a dude.

What I really want out of this movie is Phoebus being a class-a douchebag, Gringoire being in love with everything, Frollo torturing himself and being a little lust-cannon, and Esmeralda being there.  Like, as a person.  Not a martyr-figure, but as a woman, terrified, emotional, passionate, independent, poetic, who made her own choices as to whom and how she should love--to the tragedy of the world getting in the way.  No matter how much people complain about her characterization in the book, she had a lot going for her.

But if he gets those four things right, the movie will be a truer adaptation than any other ever released.  I feel like we had a movie that did the standard Hunchback interpretations right (the 1998 musical, of course :D).  Now we need a movie that preserves the emotional core of the original book, with actors capable of preserving the struggles of the original.

Of course, we aren't going to get one.  We're going to get Burton Film 25, which I'll go to see in the theater and will probably cause me to mope around for about a week.

And if he puts Johnny Depp in for Frollo, I am going to be more angry than I can say.

He already wants this guy to play Quasimodo.
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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54826 on: June 24, 2011, 09:19:21 am »

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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54827 on: June 24, 2011, 09:20:23 am »

What I really want out of this movie is Phoebus being a class-a douchebag, Gringoire being in love with everything, Frollo torturing himself and being a little lust-cannon, and Esmeralda being there.  Like, as a person.  Not a martyr-figure, but as a woman, terrified, emotional, passionate, independent, poetic, who made her own choices as to whom and how she should love--to the tragedy of the world getting in the way.  No matter how much people complain about her characterization in the book, she had a lot going for her.

It once again says a lot about how little I understand classical stories that your list of "four characters the production has to get correct" doesn't include the titular Hunchback.  But played by Josh Brolin?  Eh, it's not the worst idea in the world.  I would bet money on Depp being in it in some capacity, but that owes more to Depp just being in every goddamn movie now than it does to Burton specifically.

Re-inspired theatre soundtrack by Danny Elfman was a given from launch, of course.
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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54828 on: June 24, 2011, 09:36:04 am »

Beat up the Gauls as the Julii.
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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54829 on: June 24, 2011, 09:36:41 am »

Am I right in assuming that this will be another musical-thingie by Tim Burton?
If that's the case, color me excited.
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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54830 on: June 24, 2011, 09:43:19 am »

It once again says a lot about how little I understand classical stories that your list of "four characters the production has to get correct" doesn't include the titular Hunchback.  But played by Josh Brolin?  Eh, it's not the worst idea in the world.  I would bet money on Depp being in it in some capacity, but that owes more to Depp just being in every goddamn movie now than it does to Burton specifically.

Re-inspired theatre soundtrack by Danny Elfman was a given from launch, of course.

Ah, but the actual novel is named after the cathedral, not its bellringer.  And the thing is, the hunchback is not a core, active element of the plot in any meaningful way.  He's there to sweep up the pieces after the three "keystone" characters to the love triangle have messed everything up.  He is there to suffer, and to love futilely--kind of like Frollo, but in a passive, rather than active, sense.  The thing is, most productions get him the most right out of anyone, but that's because his personality is attractive, and not too complicated.  What they seem to understand is that he isn't a noble, high-minded sufferer.  He's an "animal" in temperament.  A dog.  Faithful, abused, prone to biting.  Most productions play up the part of his personality that is like a lapdog in its sweetness and naivety, which results in an acceptable story, but not a faithful one.

The real issue is the stuff they do to all the other characters in order to get this clearcut story with the hunchback as the hero =/  The changes I suggested to the standard setup of the other folks would give Quasimodo's personality a hell of a lot more leeway, and hopefully result in a closer relationship to Hugo's original, clean interpretation.

Never seen a single movie with Josh Brolin in it, but on the other hand, if he could pull off playing the main character of No Country for Old Men... well, I have a bit more faith in him now, I suppose.  Just never seen him in the sorts of movies I've watched up until recently.


Am I right in assuming that this will be another musical-thingie by Tim Burton?
If that's the case, color me excited.

I'm praying for no, because we already have too damned many musical interpretations of Hunchback, and we've already got a good one, too.  What we need is a good standard film adaptation without the bullshit of the 1920-era films that have gone on to pervade every other American retelling.

That, and Burton has shown himself excellent at creating an aesthetic, but apparently can't do strong vocal casting to save his life.  Helena Bonham Carter and Johnny Depp did great jobs as actors in Sweeney Todd, but in a cast where more than 50% of the actors had had zero vocal training, and pretty much all of the main characters had very weak voices... *sigh*

Well, I'll watch it and write up a review when the time comes, I guess.  There's been no info about musical or not, and it's just in the planning stages.
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« Reply #54831 on: June 24, 2011, 09:50:24 am »

Really? I mean I knew that they had no training beforehand, but I still believed they did an amazing job.
Guess I have no ear for musicals...
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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54832 on: June 24, 2011, 10:05:44 am »

Tom Hooper-directed movie musical addition of Les Miserables is REALLY HAPPENING this time, starting production in the fall or winter this year. Hugh Jackman has been signed on to play Jean Valjean (picture perfect if you ask me, he has both the physical presence AND the singing ability with correct range) and rumors say Paul Bettany has been asked to read for Javert.

I am excited

Meanwhile on another Hugh Jackman tangent, James Mangold has been signed on to helm 'The Wolverine', an only vaguely related movie to the previous Wolverine film but still starring Jackman as the lead. This one was previously going to be directed by Darren Aronofsky but he backed out, but Mangold could be a good choice as well. The film is based off the 80s Wolverine miniseries dealing with Wolverine's time in Japan.

Holy crud

To add to the good Victor Hugo news, Tim Burton is doing a Hunchback of Notre Dame thinger (reputedly).  I'm not so sure about his Victorian aesthetic working in, oh, 1482, but am anticipating that at the very least he'll keep my favorite scary parts from the original novel.

Please, Frollo, stab and whip yourself for me?  Please?

*cough*

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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54833 on: June 24, 2011, 10:08:32 am »

Really? I mean I knew that they had no training beforehand, but I still believed they did an amazing job.
Guess I have no ear for musicals...

They did an amazing job for folks with no vocal training, yeah, and that's nothing to scoff at.  My main issue was that Mrs. Lovett had a very thin voice where it was supposed to be strident/sour, and Depp doesn't even approach a baritone.

It's sort of like... it was a great movie, but I wish I could have had everything Burton added to that movie, plus some really, really strong singers.  Then it would have been perfect.


DYK: In the event Tim Burton actually makes it true to the book, the public outcry over him "Ruining" the story will cause the movie to go down as the greatest example of how much power Disney has over society in history.

Ugh, brb, dying.

I'd totally forgotten about this part.
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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54834 on: June 24, 2011, 10:22:54 am »

Well, good for me, that I had no idea how things were supposed to be  :D
This has been an experience I wouldn't want to have spoiled.

On the other hand, it's kinda sad, that I didn't have access to these sort of things when I was younger.
Maybe there's somebody to introduce me to it in college.
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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54835 on: June 24, 2011, 10:45:00 am »

Musicals were forever ruined for me by being a stagehand (and bit-part actor) in several in high school. I suppose it wouldn't have been a problem if we did good musicals, but you don't get to do good musicals in high school. Usually, you get musicals where the characters are also teenagers, leading to waaaaaay too many damn performances of "Grease" and "Bye Bye Birdie". Made doubly worse at my school because we had a large choral program and a small acting program. So the star roles went to kids who could sing but couldn't act, and the ones who could actually act got bit roles.

There was also the fact that your main production in the spring was for all the parents to come to, so Waiting for Godot or Henry V just wasn't on the table. Even Gilbert and Sullivan was a non-starter, as was Cole Porter, and most Rodgers & Hammerstein (although we did do "Oklahoma!" periodically).


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« Reply #54836 on: June 24, 2011, 12:25:40 pm »

Apparently this is the new Enterprise at least in the Star Trek Online universe.

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Re: [Science] Charlie and the larval horse. (Happy Thread)
« Reply #54837 on: June 24, 2011, 12:53:35 pm »

Danny Elfman makes every Tim Burton film better.
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« Reply #54838 on: June 24, 2011, 02:09:22 pm »

"Anything too stupid to be said is sung."
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Musicals. Just take them at ridiculous romps and they're great.

The only musical I could take seriously is Once, and that's because it's a musical movie about musicians where the random bursting out into song makes somewhat sense.

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