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[Mageziya]

Maybe Vriska can control carapaces... it didn't happen on screen...

Actually, it did happen, and not even in the panel I was thinking of.  I know there's another one with the controlly-spot over DD's head too, but there ya go.

And I didn't even think about Bec-Jack and PM being susceptible as well, since they clearly are.  Oh man is that going to be some crazy shit.  It sure is a good think Caliborn glitched the fuck out of spacetime to ensure his own destruction, otherwise this might get complicated.

Hey, you know how things that went through the skaian portals in the Beta session got cloned...

There's an extra Bec Noir and Mayor (with ring) in the Alpha session

I don't think that's how it worked.

All the scratch did is reposition to landing times of the paradox clones and choose the other set of kids to be the game players.

All the meteors we've seen go in pre-scratch have emerged in the post-scratch session.  Skaia is able to fiddle with the times that things come out of the portals, but that's it - it can't mess with the contents.

It only altered the positions of the 8 kids arrivals. How this ties to another universe is strange though. It's either makes copies or a is one way paradox.... paradox 9, g, or 6? A path derived from a loop?

[Qmarx]

Well, Cal was definitely copied.

[Remuthra]

Well, Cal was definitely copied.

No, actually. Go back to when the paradox clones were created. One of them was given the puppet.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Cal can't be copied, he is a JuJu.

[Bauglir]

I'd say it's unclear how many non-kid meteors went through, but the ruins one has to have done so. He'd have emerged at the same time Jade arrived on the meteor, so naturally the flash broke there.

EDIT: On the other hand, Jake apparently never got any of the stuff Jade did. The Time Capsule might be exempt.

[GlyphGryph]

I honestly don't think anything was copied at all. Rather, new universe, built to be roughly the same but with some roles swapped. No actual copying happening. Just forced coincidence, and we haven't actually seen the beta ectobiology get done yet.

[Bauglir]

Ah. I thought the way it worked was that the universe's history bifurcated at the moment of the earliest portal entry (which, I guess, would be the ruins) and spawned a new session elsewhere in paradox space. No paradoxes arise because the appropriate portal inputs come from the original session, but you're allowed to have multiple outputs to the appropriate universes. In this way, the troll dancestors didn't have to spawn themselves in their own session, as Scratch indicated. Although it's certainly possible that redundant ectobiology is acceptable, I'm reasonably confident that it's unnecessary.

[Putnam]

Ah. I thought the way it worked was that the universe's history bifurcated at the moment of the earliest portal entry (which, I guess, would be the ruins) and spawned a new session elsewhere in paradox space. No paradoxes arise because the appropriate portal inputs come from the original session, but you're allowed to have multiple outputs to the appropriate universes. In this way, the troll dancestors didn't have to spawn themselves in their own session, as Scratch indicated. Although it's certainly possible that redundant ectobiology is acceptable, I'm reasonably confident that it's unnecessary.

It has been explicitly stated that the new session is in the exact same frog...

[Bauglir]

Yes. Multiple sessions are linked to a single frog. I'm not sure if you're objecting or agreeing, though.

[Mageziya]

The thing is though, look at the frog ruins. They are models of the session's planets.

Relatively, B2 Jake's island perfectly models the B2 session, with 8 planets, Prospit destroyed, and Derse moonless.

  The B1 is slightly inaccurate, due to being concernedly damaged. Only about 3 planets appear, 2 of which are destroyed, and the fourth one missing (Looking at this in retrospect, this DOES NOT bode well. Also, fourth one missing.....John? Though this might all ultimately connect to the fact the planets were relocated.) Prospit is accurately destroyed, but Derse is destroyed with its moon intact.

As such, it appears that the Frog temples are a simple consistency required for all session bearing planets, and not copies from scratches.

Ah. I thought the way it worked was that the universe's history bifurcated at the moment of the earliest portal entry (which, I guess, would be the ruins) and spawned a new session elsewhere in paradox space. No paradoxes arise because the appropriate portal inputs come from the original session, but you're allowed to have multiple outputs to the appropriate universes. In this way, the troll dancestors didn't have to spawn themselves in their own session, as Scratch indicated. Although it's certainly possible that redundant ectobiology is acceptable, I'm reasonably confident that it's unnecessary.

It has been explicitly stated that the new session is in the exact same frog...

Oh dear, it appears I have been ninja'd. Are you referring to the same Genesis Frog or the same Temple? Because these are different.

DAMMIT NINJAS

[Remuthra]

The frog ruin could actually be subtle foreshadowing that despite in-game insistence that the reckoning cannot happen in the B2 session, rulebreaking will occur and the reckoning will happen anyway.

[Putnam]

The same genesis frog, meaning the same universe exactly, meaning the exact same spot in paradox space (I.E inside the trolls' session after they created theirs), which is why B1 Jack's Red Miles coming in from A2 affected B2.

[Mageziya]

But B1 and B2 are parallel, set up in the same frog, since the frog is every version and instance of that universe ever. How Skaia sets up Parallel universes with the scratch, we do not know fully. I admit I am arguing that the scratch only changes the landing times of the kids' meteors because of what Rose said in one of the intermissions.

[Putnam]

As am I...

[Bauglir]

Ok, so summary of how I think it stands after this conversation. Bifurcation here means that a portal has a single input and an output in each B1 and B2 (at least). Kids are definitely bifurcated. Everything else is ambiguous, technically, although the last post convinces me that probably there are separate frog temples, and thus there is no bifurcation of Jack Noir. Non-bifurcated meteors need a new portal to be made in the new Session, but bifurcated meteors don't (and can't).

The same genesis frog, meaning the same universe exactly, meaning the exact same spot in paradox space (I.E inside the trolls' session after they created theirs), which is why B1 Jack's Red Miles coming in from A2 affected B2.

Yes, but I don't understand the relevance. The sessions are in different places, the frogs aren't. EDIT: Because there is only one frog. If that wasn't clear, which it wasn't now that I read it again.