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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37125 on: April 06, 2012, 06:47:57 am »

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We have never seen MAge powers, MAge just doesn't sound at all like what you're describing to me.
The potential mage like powers, stuff related to Doom, that we've seen for sollux, are his ability to see doom coming, and his ability to avoid his inevitable doom. That's all we've got to go on.

Why doesn't Mage sound what I'm describing? I mean, it makes more sense than Prince=Destroy, imo.

Wiki isn't necessarily correct, but is a decent place to start since it mostly uses info directly pulled from the comic:
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37126 on: April 06, 2012, 01:08:34 pm »

Since when did Sollux avoid his doom? He's died exactly like he predicted.

I guess half-ghost Sollux might count.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37127 on: April 06, 2012, 01:12:56 pm »

He's died a bunch of times in fact.

And he's still alive, last we checked.

He didn't avoid his death, simply the doom usually associated with it.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37128 on: April 06, 2012, 01:51:47 pm »

A true man never dies, even when he is killed.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37129 on: April 06, 2012, 02:01:37 pm »

Since when were the doom and the death separate things?
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37130 on: April 06, 2012, 02:11:24 pm »

One is the lead up, the other is the thing itself.

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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37131 on: April 06, 2012, 02:15:02 pm »

Doom implies a certainty, a final reckoning if you will.

It implies THE END, an INEVITABLE, INESCAPABLE fate.

One would argue that a death you live through really isn't the same thing at all.

They certainly aren't that different in our world, but in the world of Homestuck...
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37132 on: April 06, 2012, 04:00:23 pm »

I would say that doom is a larger category including things other than death, like inevitable failure or an enemy's inevitable success.
"He was doomed to be forever alone", and such things as that.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37133 on: April 06, 2012, 04:05:33 pm »

But, and I might be wrong on this, I feel like Sollux only foretold death. His main thing was "We're all going to die, and I'm going to die the most."

I feel like the doom aspect is really death. Just like the heart aspect is soul. It's one of the ones that isn't literal.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37134 on: April 06, 2012, 04:42:35 pm »

Keep in mind, though, that we are told that SBURB chooses aspects that will challenge the players.

It's entirely plausible that the challenge for Seers is to eventually come to terms with the fact that they can't control everything. Look at Terezi, who starts out being the most manipulative player of the Troll session, and probably strongly believed that she could control anything and everything. She even learns to control herself to the point that she can use her other senses to surpass her destroyed sense of sight. But in the end, she is unable to stop Vriska without killing her. She is simply powerless in that situation, and there's nothing she can do to avoid being powerless.

Sollux starts out with some pretty clear feelings of being absolutely powerless, and we can definitely see why. He can only barely control his own mind, and loses control like it's going out of style. In the end, I don't think Sollux ever really got past that mental block. The mage, therefor, could very well have the ability to change the cogs of fate, to avoid these inevitable things, and the power is therefor given to the most fatalistic and "powerless" individual within a session.

Above all else, SBURB is a game about growing and maturing. Each player has a tailor-made experience that will help them grow the most. I've heard and read and seen it said that the trolls probably never completed any of their personal quests. Even Vriska, who was by far the most powerful player in their session, almost certainly never completed her personal quest. The only one I think might have is Aradia, and I really have no evidence for that.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37135 on: April 06, 2012, 06:00:26 pm »

I'm the Thief of Void.

So, do I steal...nothing?
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37136 on: April 06, 2012, 06:06:10 pm »

I'm the Thief of Void.

So, do I steal...nothing?

You steal the fabric of reality, and make tasteful dresses out of them.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37137 on: April 06, 2012, 06:10:01 pm »

You steal everybody's nothing and make it your own!

More seriously, you'd probably have the ability to blackout yourself to outside observation, or perhaps literally steal knowledge of yourself from others minds.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37138 on: April 06, 2012, 06:15:54 pm »

More seriously, you'd probably have the ability to blackout yourself to outside observation, or perhaps literally steal knowledge of yourself from others minds.

Judging from what I understand of Homestuck (very little), yeah, I'd agree with this. This makes sense.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck: END OF ACT 6 INTERMISSION 2
« Reply #37139 on: April 06, 2012, 06:17:37 pm »

steal knowledge of yourself from others minds.
Imagine not having control of that though, the way Roxy blocks herself involuntarily...

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