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Keep it as is

3 (12%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win

1 (4%)

Change it to a full Jester, but without game-end on win

5 (20%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win AFTER day 3

3 (12%)

Change it to a Jester with the loss of the Next Day phase

4 (16%)

Remove it entirely

9 (36%)

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Total Members Voted: 25

[webadict]

Only slightly. Usually just a point or two. And I can always rebalance things by hand if need be.

Oh that's fine. I was just making sure it wasn't like equal to town, but 6 points in one direction.

[Mephansteras]

Ok, general questions for everyone.

1) Do you have any concerns/comments with the current rule set listed on the front page?

2) What is your opinion of the suggested changes on the front page?

3) Opinion on the Cult (voting in the poll is fine, unless you have more to say)

4) Opinion on the size of games? Should we limit the number of players we have?

Question 4 is due to webadict's comment in round 7 about people finding it too hard to scumhunt with such a large group. I think that's partially true in that round, where we had almost no PRs. In a normal game, where most players have a Power Role, would a 23-person game have been less frustrating?

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, a game with 2 kills a night and 23 players is rather unmanagable.  A few more powerroles could help.

[webadict]

Ok, general questions for everyone.

1) Do you have any concerns/comments with the current rule set listed on the front page?

2) What is your opinion of the suggested changes on the front page?

3) Opinion on the Cult (voting in the poll is fine, unless you have more to say)

4) Opinion on the size of games? Should we limit the number of players we have?

Question 4 is due to webadict's comment in round 7 about people finding it too hard to scumhunt with such a large group. I think that's partially true in that round, where we had almost no PRs. In a normal game, where most players have a Power Role, would a 23-person game have been less frustrating?

1) Double lynches are bad.
2) Not sure what those are.
3) Needs to go. It just makes it more difficult for the scum than for the town.
4) The number of players is outstanding. There's several problems though: Lots of people are inactive. If lots of people weren't inactive, then there'd be PAGES upon PAGES of posts to analyze, which would CAUSE inactivity. I think some games with 15 people were excellent games. It wasn't too many and it wasn't too few.

[Mr.Person]

Might I suggest a new role? The Spook. Due to his frightening appearance, players attempting non-kill actions will be scared off and have their actions fail. Killers, however, are strong-willed enough to go through with the kill.

Basically, an ascetic. -1 to town, -2 if scum should be fair, I think.

[Mephansteras]

Interesting idea. I'll add it to the proposed roles section

[webadict]

Might I suggest a new role? The Spook. Due to his frightening appearance, players attempting non-kill actions will be scared off and have their actions fail. Killers, however, are strong-willed enough to go through with the kill.

Basically, an ascetic. -1 to town, -2 if scum should be fair, I think.

It should be about -3 for scum, actually. Since no one can investigate them for their team, it'd be better for scum than town.

[JoshuaFH]

I don't know WA, wouldn't that also make them unprotectable?

[Mr.Person]

Although there are lots of role already, I was thinking there should probably be more anti-town roles, especially in the town itself.

[webadict]

I don't know WA, wouldn't that also make them unprotectable?

True, but think about how often scum needs protecting against kills...

[Mephansteras]

In theory, the town could now have 2 War Vets and 2 Vigilantes, so scum protecting each other isn't that far-fetched.

[webadict]

In theory, the town could now have 2 War Vets and 2 Vigilantes, so scum protecting each other isn't that far-fetched.

And the scum get a Doctor? And can't conveniently protect the one guy that needs it because he's immune to it? This is a little far-fetched...

[Mephansteras]

For those that are interested, here is an example of a 20 player game with both Dopps and Cult. There are 4 doppelgangers and 3 cult, but the balance is about equal. (2 points in the dopps favor, but with the Dopp hunter in play I think that's ok)

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Player	Race	Role	Goal	Ability
A_Fey_Dwarf	Human	Enchanter	Town Wins	None
Alexhans	Human	Townsperson	Town Wins	None
Beacon80	Human	Reporter	Town Wins	None
Cheeetar	Human	Kook	Town Wins	None
Duke 2.0	Human	Detective	Town Wins	None
EchoP	Doppelganger	Bodyguard	Doppelgangers Win	None
Frelock	Human Cultist	Disciple of Truth	Human Cultists Win	None
JanusTwoFace	Human Cultist	Watcher	Human Cultists Win	None
Kashyyk	Human	Mad Scientist	Town Wins	None
Mr.Person	Doppelganger	Doppelganger	Doppelgangers Win	None
Nuke9.13	Doppelganger	Bodyguard	Doppelgangers Win	Mind Shield
Org	Human	Kook	Town Wins	None
Pandarsenic	Human	Telepath	Town Wins	None
R1ck	Alien	Doppelganger Hunter	find	None
Rysith	Human	Telepath	Town Wins	None
Servant Corps	Doppelganger	Reporter	Doppelgangers Win	None
ToonyMan	Human Cultist	Psychic Warden	Human Cultists Win	None
Twiggie	Human	Disciple of Truth	Town Wins	None
chaoticjosh	Human	Medium	Town Wins	None
webadict	Human	Reporter	Town Wins	None

The only thing my script doesn't do yet is figure out which bodyguard variants people are. But that's easy enough for me to add in later.

[JoshuaFH]

Are you saying that a sufficiently large game will have every single role?

[ToonyMan]

I really like that example, use something like that next round.