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[Glacial Eidolon]

Oh my God. This thread can only end in disaster.

... Hmm, I think something's amiss here. Can any lawful, benevolent citizen please tell me what is the source of all this strangeness?

...Anyone?

[Vester]

You know, people keep saying Christians push atheists, but on this particular forum, I don't see that.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

In God we trust.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

etc. etc.  ad infinitum.

No, I'm not being pushed by Christians at all.

That's been around for two hundred years. If it offends you, lobby to change it.

[Sordid]

That's been around for two hundred years. If it offends you, lobby to change it.

It's been that long since 1954? Oh how the time flies by...

[Uber dwarf2.0]

Hi,
I see so many topics concerning atheism or proving that no god exists or reasons to be atheist or whatever...
I just don't get it. When I was young I was teached about Jesus and God and I believe in a God until today. I have had a experience that I'd describe as meeting God (it was not a near-death experience) but even without it I wouldn't be able to understand how you think you're alone in the universe. Everything is so perfect, there's a reason for everything and there are so many "coincidences", how's that? How did everything start?
I understand religion has been transformed in a non-sense thing these days, with people making religions to earn money or to have fun.
In my opinion religion should be the way to find the truth about all those questions. In this point of view, an atheist would be religious too.
So, how do you atheists, explain all these above?

I want to bring a constructive discussion, please don't discriminate atheists or religious people, just say your reasons and why. Thanks ;]

Well I think it depends on how a person thinks about the issue.Sure people(like me) who don't belive about god ,but it just depends on views. If someone to show me their mindset about these things I'm sure that I'd have a fantastic time.However nobody around me is any different from a corperate clone thus my days are a living hellhole

[Vester]

That's been around for two hundred years. If it offends you, lobby to change it.

It's been that long since 1954? Oh how the time flies by...

...

Shows what I know about US history.

[RAM]

Why are you wasting time on an internet forum. Shouldn't you be committing unspeakable atrocities? Genocide, Rape, abortions, betraying, all that jazz?

But there are already people who did that stuff, if you go that route then you will at least be below Vlad the Impaler in the pecking order, you need to get creative. I recommend devoting your entire life to all religions purely to get an opportunity to kick the divine groin... Of course, that might just get you a spot with the betrayers, but at least it will be satisfying...

Christianity requires devotion to religion beyond all other concerns. No Christian can take any office that requires an oath of obedience because either they are deliberately lying in order to acquire the office which would invalidate their christianity or they are accepting an authority other than their god. They cannot take a political office without being willing to sacrifice their responsibilities to their god and they cannot become soldiers if that means failing to consider the religious ramifications of their orders...

[Vester]

Christianity requires devotion to religion beyond all other concerns. No Christian can take any office that requires an oath of obedience because either they are deliberately lying in order to acquire the office which would invalidate their christianity or they are accepting an authority other than their god. They cannot take a political office without being willing to sacrifice their responsibilities to their god and they cannot become soldiers if that means failing to consider the religious ramifications of their orders...

Christianity (supposedly) requires devotion to the service of others, not religion. It's (supposedly) about helping people, and taking steps to level the field. (true Christianity would mean some pretty epic socialism)

Of course it got lost along the way. Now Christianity is bogged down by all the MURDERDEATHKILL in the past.

Whoops.

[Psyco Jelly]

Why are you wasting time on an internet forum. Shouldn't you be committing unspeakable atrocities? Genocide, Rape, abortions, betraying, all that jazz?

Our machinations give us a lot of free time in between important events. My evil cult leader mask is getting buffed right now.

Christianity requires devotion to religion beyond all other concerns. No Christian can take any office that requires an oath of obedience because either they are deliberately lying in order to acquire the office which would invalidate their christianity or they are accepting an authority other than their god. They cannot take a political office without being willing to sacrifice their responsibilities to their god and they cannot become soldiers if that means failing to consider the religious ramifications of their orders...

Christianity (supposedly) requires devotion to the service of others, not religion. It's (supposedly) about helping people, and taking steps to level the field. (true Christianity would mean some pretty epic socialism)

Of course it got lost along the way. Now Christianity is bogged down by all the MURDERDEATHKILL in the past.

Whoops.

I don't like the 'level the field' ideology. I whole-heartedly disagree with the phrase 'all men are created equal' because they aren't. The gifted should be celebrated, and given greater opportunities so they can make the best use of their skill.

I have a perch that I do not wish to be leveled. I will be the first Wilburn to get a college degree. (I live in north Alabama, so that may not comes as surprise.)

[Jackrabbit]

Christianity requires devotion to religion beyond all other concerns. No Christian can take any office that requires an oath of obedience because either they are deliberately lying in order to acquire the office which would invalidate their christianity or they are accepting an authority other than their god. They cannot take a political office without being willing to sacrifice their responsibilities to their god and they cannot become soldiers if that means failing to consider the religious ramifications of their orders...

Christianity (supposedly) requires devotion to the service of others, not religion. It's (supposedly) about helping people, and taking steps to level the field. (true Christianity would mean some pretty epic socialism)

Of course it got lost along the way. Now Christianity is bogged down by all the MURDERDEATHKILL in the past.

Whoops.

Yeah. And since when did joining Christianity mean you had to focus everything towards it beyond all other concerns? That's not what I was told.

[Psyco Jelly]

Generally, when you join a religion, if it commands you to put it above all other concerns, it's a cult. A cult bent on exploiting you for your resources. Christianity does not usually do this.

[Jackrabbit]

I have been a Christian all my life and went to church at the age of ten. I've never ever ever been to church regularly, and all donation have been voluntary.

[Idiom]

Damn the thread reply notice and damn being behind on my email!

No, I'm not being pushed by Christians at all.

Christian lobbyists at the time, but honestly, where in those amended words (The ones people actually say. When have you heard them include the "Blest... blah blah blah" part at a baseball game or anywhere for that matter in modern times?) did it name the Christian God? Anyone else could have seen any other (well, probably not polytheist) religion behind the "In God we trust" and "one nation under God" everyone is exposed to. That whole post was completely irrelevant to your point of Christians pushing you besides that you have Christians on your mind and there's a bit of religion in the pledge. Really, it's pretty damned bland what's in there already that we use. It's almost a catch all for the religious people (sorry polytheists), and really, what if it was removed? Then it's "OH GOD THE ATHEISTS ARE PUSHING ME" and blah blah blah. Hell, the rest of the phrases in the pledge doesn't have religion in it. There's your bit of it. Be happy there's a part in it that conforms to you as an individual in a sea of others. For the love of-, that bit of the pledge is agknowladging religious people's existence and presence in the country. It's not even trying to advertise. If you find the very presence of a group "pushing" you, that's the same part of the brain responsible for racism that's creating your intolerance. And many religious people are guilty of the damned intolerance. It's a fucking mess is what it is.

All intolerance should be directed at intolerant people. Everyone's the one to blame. If people could finally realize that, we could all implode and be done with it.

"Corrupted by Religion"

Corrupted by _____.
Everything corrupts in some damned manner. Politics is probably worse, but that's my opinion.

Now Christianity is bogged down by all the MURDERDEATHKILL in the past.

MURDERDEATHKILL, like the MURDERDEATHKILL that occurs 24/7 across the globe by whatever means and reasons people can leverage? Nah, that's not even worth noticing unless it's attached to something you are arguing about. Supposedly good intentions. Hell, Hitler thought he had good intentions. Hell, homeless shelters think they have good intentions. Take your pick of those two, but never realize that both exist at the same time and sometimes even from the same sources. Please stop using those two arguments. (Not at you or anyone really but a general thought.)
It's not bogged by anything other than selective illuminations.

[Sergius]

That's been around for two hundred years. If it offends you, lobby to change it.

Dating error notwithstanding, whenever that's tried, atheists get the same response: "why are you such an angry atheist? Why can't you atheists just leave us alone? Why you hatin' on Christians!"

Have you ever heard of the attempts to remove the "Under God" from school pledge thing, and the Ten Commandments from the wossname public building? They all get the same reaction.

It's always the same people saying "atheists shouldn't stoop to that level, trying to change "us", they should try to get along!"

[Zironic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

This is how we used to pledge.

[Neonivek]

Have you ever heard of the attempts to remove the "Under God" from school pledge thing

I find it to be such a harmless statement anyhow.

Though let me think... Of Oh Canada the words they wanted to change at one point
-Sons
-Native
-god
-Love
-Guard

Though it is hard for me to think of ways Athiesm is now seriously attacked. Right now it just seems like inertia. I see more pushes against Religion then Athiesm.

"the Ten Commandments from the wossname public building?"

I think the major instance here is that there is no reason to remove them unless everyone wants to.

Though that whole situation is interesting if you discuss it in full. Reminds me of that old practice where you were forced to change your name to something more ordinary.