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[WJLIII3]

The link on the front page doesn't work. Has a new one been posted anywhere in the thread and I just missed it?

[Zaius]

Is there anyway to tell the difference between an orc and a goblin tower in adventure mode? i am beginning to suspect the orcs have wiped them out.

[Rysith]

The link on the front page doesn't work. Has a new one been posted anywhere in the thread and I just missed it?

Seems to be working for me....

Is there anyway to tell the difference between an orc and a goblin tower in adventure mode? i am beginning to suspect the orcs have wiped them out.

Legends mode will tell you. Aside from that, I don't think so (since it translates the names for you, right?). In general, goblins will build in the mountains and orcs will build on the plains, though, which might help.

[Zaius]

Thanks, i will keep searching. For the next world i make, is there anything i can do to help the goblins survive world gen? I rarely see more than a single thief compared to the legions of orcs that attack me, and i have razed 6 orc towers without finding a single goblin in adventure mode.
Should i try increasing their birth rate?

[Cult of the Raven]

Okay, this thread is too long. I would read through it all to try and find the answer, but meh.
When I try to gen a world with this orc mod in, it messes up the gen -
Firstly, there are no dwarves. the embarkable civ seems to always be human. Every gen I run seems to kill off the dwarfs.
Secondly, the orcs don't actually become a civilization. Instead, the gen uses war elephants. If I take out war elephants, it uses gremlins or fox squirrels.
I'm playing with a modified version of Teldin's mod (just the creatures, some plants, and food names), but the gen still messes up if I take out those files.
I'm clearing the data objects folder between each try, and I've fiddled with it a bit, but nothing I do seems to fix the issue. What do you suggest I do?

[Rysith]

Okay, this thread is too long. I would read through it all to try and find the answer, but meh.
When I try to gen a world with this orc mod in, it messes up the gen -
Firstly, there are no dwarves. the embarkable civ seems to always be human. Every gen I run seems to kill off the dwarfs.
Secondly, the orcs don't actually become a civilization. Instead, the gen uses war elephants. If I take out war elephants, it uses gremlins or fox squirrels.
I'm playing with a modified version of Teldin's mod (just the creatures, some plants, and food names), but the gen still messes up if I take out those files.
I'm clearing the data objects folder between each try, and I've fiddled with it a bit, but nothing I do seems to fix the issue. What do you suggest I do?

That sounds like a raws conflict. Check your error log to see if it's throwing any errors at you (particularly about duplicate creature names).

[Cult of the Raven]

yes. there was a dire wolf conflict.
Genning.....
yes, there are dwarfs, humans, elfs, goblins, and best of all, orcs. awesome.
now to have lots of fun.

thanks!

[tsen]

Working with a few minor additions to this mod as part of my own home-brew thing. I'll post it in a week or so after I have the bugs ironed out.

[Qwernt]

So, is there a way to turn down the fun?

My fort: 13 dwarves (1 good marksmen and 3 wrestlers in training), 19k total value - somehow attracts 18 Orcs and a Dire Wolf... I mean, 1k per individual that comes... it can't be worth the trouble to the orcs (other than kill dwarves that is).

I know I can keep them out with bridges, etc; but I am trying to run an Anti-Orc fortress without resorting to "bottle-up-n-pick-em-off".  As such, I would like to modify how many are in an orcish battle group.  Is this possible?  is it the cluster_number?  Or Litter_Size?

thanks

[Rysith]

As such, I would like to modify how many are in an orcish battle group.  Is this possible?  is it the cluster_number?  Or Litter_Size?

Until the Army Arc or so, sieges will always come in 1 - 5 squads of 16 (15 normal + one leader), unfortunately. My initial suggestion for an anti-orc fort would be embarking with one or two trained (proficient weapon/proficient shield) sword and axe dwarves, training them as fast as you can, and building a defensive line that only allows one orc in at a time, to die in single combat with your more skilled military. Generous use of wooden spikes may also help, even if only to cripple their legs before they engage your dwarves.

[Albedo]

Until the Army Arc or so, sieges will always come in 1 - 5 squads of 16 (15 normal + one leader)

Is that true w/ the vanilla version as well?  If so, good to know. 

[Qwernt]

Well, back to the drawing board then.

thanks.

[Neruz]

I highly suggest making a second Orc civ with Can_Speak on from the word go, because Orc traders are awesome.

[Tiler]

Whelp, for those that use Mayday or similar 16x16 tilesets, I threw together some graphics for the Orcs.

This actually hasn't been tested yet, so I don't know if I have everything set up correctly, but here you go. Change filenames as needed, of course. It's fairly rough around the edges, so if someone with more experience with this sort of thing wants to fix anything they see that's bad, for Armok's sake, do so.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[TILE_PAGE:ORCS]
   [FILE:mayday/orcs.bmp]
   [TILE_DIM:16:16]
   [PAGE_DIM:9:9]

[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:ORC]

   [DEFAULT:ORCS:0:0:ADD_COLOR]
   [STANDARD:ORCS:2:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [CHILD:ORCS:0:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [BABY:ORCS:1:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

   [RECRUIT:ORCS:0:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

   [WRESTLER:ORCS:0:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [SWORDSMAN:ORCS:1:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [AXEMAN:ORCS:2:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [HAMMERMAN:ORCS:5:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MACEMAN:ORCS:7:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [SPEARMAN:ORCS:3:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [PIKEMAN:ORCS:4:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [BOwMAN:ORCS:6:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [LASHER:ORCS:8:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   
   [MASTER_WRESTLER:ORCS:0:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MASTER_SWORDSMAN:ORCS:1:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MASTER_AXEMAN:ORCS:2:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MASTER_HAMMERMAN:ORCS:5:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MASTER_MACEMAN:ORCS:7:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MASTER_SPEARMAN:ORCS:3:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MASTER_PIKEMAN:ORCS:4:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MASTER_BOWMAN:ORCS:6:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
   [MASTER_LASHER:ORCS:8:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

   [RECRUIT:ORCS:1:3:AS_IS:GUARD]

   [WRESTLER:ORCS:0:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [SWORDSMAN:ORCS:1:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [AXEMAN:ORCS:2:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [HAMMERMAN:ORCS:5:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MACEMAN:ORCS:7:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [SPEARMAN:ORCS:3:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [PIKEMAN:ORCS:4:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [CROSSBOWMAN:ORCS:6:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [LASHER:ORCS:8:6:AS_IS:GUARD]
   
   [MASTER_WRESTLER:ORCS:0:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MASTER_SWORDSMAN:ORCS:1:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MASTER_AXEMAN:ORCS:2:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MASTER_HAMMERMAN:ORCS:5:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MASTER_MACEMAN:ORCS:7:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MASTER_SPEARMAN:ORCS:3:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MASTER_PIKEMAN:ORCS:4:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MASTER_BOWMAN:ORCS:6:7:AS_IS:GUARD]
   [MASTER_LASHER:ORCS:8:7:AS_IS:GUARD]

   [CHAMPION:ORCS:2:3:AS_IS:DEFAULT]

[w4ldf33]

Is it possible to entirely substitute gobos with the orcs?
If yes, what i have to do?