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[Zaranthan]

Are you kidding? Spider cavalry is the only known counter to bear cavalry!

[Raz]

"Yeah, you're pretty much fucked now"

But there isn't any bear cavalry in yet.

Nah the main reason why I don't like it, is that it seems a bit cheap fantasy to me, not really like the semi-original DF fantasy race setup. Ah well. It's still fun though.

[RoboCicero]

Ah, never mind. After removing can_speak any currently friendly orcs stay friendly, until the next siege rolls in. Then they all turn hostile. Weirdly enough, this also means that they are targeted by the incoming orcs with the seige.

I think they're a bit too hardcore, I'm getting wiped each time a siege occurs. I guess I better invest in a moat!

[kefkakrazy]

I kept the latest versions and just dropped their TRAPAVOID. They're badass enough without it, and I can self-limit myself on traps, thank you very much

[Rysith]

"Yeah, you're pretty much fucked now"

But there isn't any bear cavalry in yet.

I could add bear cavalry for the next version. Could be fun, in both senses of the word.

Mostly, I added spiders because I wanted to give them mounts that varied their capabilities a bit. Wolves are "generic", elephants can break down doors (plus they are huge and stomp you), and spiders web. There aren't that many other special abilities that you can give to creatures in DF.

[Grath]

So, I started a fort with the Orcs mod, trying a new design strategy and an aboveground fort.
I got a new experience in my DF though... I had my first Tantrum Spiral because I didn't set up individual rooms fast enough. The Orcs just kept me inside for a few months.

[kotekzot]

they are so hardcore i had to remove their brains to survive (most of them died almost instantly, but a certain master pikeman has crawled about 20 tiles on sheer badassery). can't afford to have fun yet, must finish project.

[bhamv]

I also had Orcs show up in strange seasons.  Just now an Orc siege popped up as the Dwarven caravan was making its way towards my fortress.  All the traders managed to get to safety, except for one last pack animal and its merchant, who both got killed.  This, unfortunately, made the entire caravan refuse to trade.

I'm guessing, maybe, it has something to do with the distance the Orcs have to travel to get to my location, they don't make it until one season later.  This is completely guesswork though, I don't know if it's true.  But assuming it is, could I change the Orcs' active seasons to, say, winter and spring, that way at least the Dwarven caravan should be left untouched?  Because right now there's no real pattern to when the Orcs show up, and they've managed to attack each caravan at least once.

[Rysith]

I also had Orcs show up in strange seasons.  Just now an Orc siege popped up as the Dwarven caravan was making its way towards my fortress.  All the traders managed to get to safety, except for one last pack animal and its merchant, who both got killed.  This, unfortunately, made the entire caravan refuse to trade.

I'm guessing, maybe, it has something to do with the distance the Orcs have to travel to get to my location, they don't make it until one season later.  This is completely guesswork though, I don't know if it's true.  But assuming it is, could I change the Orcs' active seasons to, say, winter and spring, that way at least the Dwarven caravan should be left untouched?  Because right now there's no real pattern to when the Orcs show up, and they've managed to attack each caravan at least once.

Did you have events (ambushes or other sieges) the previous season? The only time I've seen Orcs show up out of season was in a spring when there was a goblin siege during the winter, which looked like it "pushed" the orc siege one season ahead. Not much you can do about that, unfortunately (other than going out and defending the caravan, of course).

[Qwernt]

For fun I modding in Wargs (dire wolf++) with orcs... I have yet to have a fort survive... maybe I made them a little too tough  - though to be fair, Skeleton Dire Wolves have killed me a couple of times too.

(wargs spoiled below)

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[CREATURE:WARG]
   [NAME:warg:wargs:warg]
   [TILE:'W'][COLOR:7:0:0]
   [MODVALUE:3]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:7]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:6:12]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:3:5]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR][MEANDERER][SAVAGE]
      [trAINABLE][EVIL][MOUNT]
   [NOPAIN]
   [NOFEAR]
   [CAN_LEARN]
   [CARNIVORE]
   [liKES_FIGHTING]
   [trAPAVOID]
   [PETVALUE:350]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:0][NATURAL][PET][trAINABLE]
   [PREFSTRING:unbridaled feral nature]
   [PREFSTRING:intimidating howls]
   [PREFSTRING:stamina-built bodies]
   [PREFSTRING:bulky, double-layered coats]
   [PREFSTRING:social predatory lifestyle]
   [PREFSTRING:enormous pointy teeth]
   [BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
   [BODYGLOSS:PAW]
   [SIZE:12]
   [MAXAGE:10:20]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
   [CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:dire wolf pup:dire wolf pups]
   [liTTERSIZE:2:4]
   [FAT:3]
   [DIURNAL]
   [BIOME:TUNDRA]
   [BIOME:FOREST_TAIGA]
   [BIOME:ANY_TEMPERATE_FOREST]
   [BIOME:SHRUBLAND_TEMPERATE]
   [STANDARD_FLESH]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10070]
   [LAYERING:200]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
   [MUNDANE]

[Grath]

Holy CHRIST those orcs are fast 
By the time I see them charging at my gates it's too late to close them!

[tsen]

What does "CAN_LEARN" do for wargs?  They don't use weapons, armor or shields and presumably don't wrestle. Just give them stats or something?

[PsychoBuck]

What does everyone think of these sprites for the orc military?  Sphr style.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sorry, they don't look orcy enough. So I made a few adjustments for my use.

[Grath]

Are Orcs [BUILDINGDESTROYER:1] or [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]? They wouldn't path to my (rock) doors to smash them when I locked the orcs out.

Upon looking at the raws... They don't have ANY form of building destroyer? That seems un-orclike. A locked door should mean 'Smash', not 'Where are the dwarves?'

[Qwernt]

No idea what Can Learn will do for Wargs - I had no idea what it did in the first place, i just threw it on there to see if it would make them "smarter" - I was thinking to do Cav Civ (Tolkien Wargs could speak - not sure if I want Warg traders though...).