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Re: Water powered car
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2008, 09:18:32 pm »

Qmarx i just did a look up, and your right.. :P it seems I was drinking the koolaid.. -goes back to milk-

science class saying our uranium would run out in 50 years at current use :P

What?!  Someone actually agreeing with someone else on the internet?!  And looking up things?!  Unheard of!  Preposterous!  Inconceivable!  This may be a first!

Sarcasm aside, there are a lot of public misconceptions about nuclear power (the fifty years thing might refer to recovered warheads, or some other subset of uranium soures).

It's amazing all the things you learn if you have a nuclear powerplant in your backyard. 
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2008, 09:50:54 pm »

DONT U NO NUCKULAR POWER PANTS BLOW UP ALL TEH TIME LIEK BOMS.

More seriously, is anyone else sick of the "green" movement?  Whether they're correct in their thinking or not, I'm getting very sick of everyone's sudden worship of the planet and the increasingly planet-shaped Al Gore.
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2008, 10:02:57 pm »

Ha ha, yeah.   Eventually, your cause takes a back seat to how much of a prick you're being about it.

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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2008, 04:13:49 am »

i used to be green... but that was back during clinton.. was a very active green party member... :p then it all seemed to change..

I also grew up a bit more and realized that though many of the people in the actual party had a clue.. most of the politicians couldn't figure out global warming from a drout... alot of the real 'green party' members were all for nuclear power... its a rather environmentally friendly energy source.. just gotta be careful with the expired uranium and the coolant system..

and dont melt down :P
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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2008, 04:22:20 am »

There are a lot of greenies in New Zealand.
Anti-nuclear this and anti-GM that. You can't drive an SUV without someone commenting on how much carbon you are polluting. It pisses me of sometimes, the fact that our government would break trade agreements with the US just because they wouldn't declare whether their ships held nuclear devices or not. The Anti-GM side of things caused my father to lose his job. He has a doctorate in Science specializing in plant genetics, yet can't get a job, He even invented a new type of wheat for godsake.
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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2008, 04:28:24 am »

its one thing to keep our planet human habitable.. i like that.. really.. its another thing to induce fear and misunderstanding left and right.. -.-
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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2008, 04:31:37 am »

Reminds me about that South Park episode with the "Smug Alert"...  In a surge of environmentalism, people started buying hybrid cars in order to save the world and all that.

This resulted in a massive increase in smug emissions, which of course is highly toxic and damaging to all life.

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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 04:39:08 am »

Smugness like that is dangerous here in Texas.  Those tiny efficient cars are great and all for short trips at town speed in Japanese or European climates.  They're not built to do 70 everyday in a 20 miles commute in 100+ degree heat.  My father has always been ahead of the curve on fuel efficient cars because for a long time they were the cheap cars.  He had a string of Daihatsu's for a few years, but every summer the center cylinder would blow out from the strain.

At the opposite end of the scale, even with gas four bucks a gallon and diesel around five, I still find charter bus drivers and SUV owners sitting with the engine idling for hours just so they can nap in air-conditioning.
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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2008, 11:56:13 am »

Show them the error of their ways: Steal their gas.
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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2008, 06:45:04 pm »

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The only reason hydrogen is better than electricity, is because it's easier to store
Actually I recall reading an article on a new battery scientists have designed using nano-technology that ensures the battery will never lose it's charge when not in use. Can't remember where I saw it though. Unfortunately it's a chemical battery.
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« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2008, 07:22:01 pm »

I think eventually environmentalism will be so fashionable, companies will sell cheap fake solar panels so you can make your neighbors think your house is running off the grid. $100 for that? I think there might be a market.

Also, note that the only reason we're having energy trouble is all the people. Population growth is why we need energy growth. People trot out the figure of "eleven earths" all the time - that is, if everyone on Earth lived at the average American lifestyle, we would use up eleven Earths completely to support them. Test yourself here.

And of course, while it might be an academic issue right now, Earth is a closed ecology. There is a limited carrying capacity for our environment. And shooting people out into space costs more than letting them live here, giving us a similar problem with different causes as executing a prisoner in America costing more than putting them up in prison until they die of old age.

If we had a world population of a million people, nobody would be worried about oil running out. We just couldn't use it up fast enough unless we worked really hard at it. But right now we're using things up just by living.

We're losing irreplacable topsoil, we're mining unreplaceable water out of aquifers, we're drilling for unreplaceable oil, and digging up unreplaceable minerals. And in return we're filling the spaces with proverbial radioactive styrofoam.

No way am I going to put out any effort trying to fix things. I'm just one guy. Besides, I'm going to die before the crash so it's not like I have any interest in devoting my life to environmentalism.

Right now I'm talking with some friends seriously about me buying a light VW or Volvo and converting it to electric. When I buy a house in 5-6 years, I'll get solar panels installed to the limit that the government is willing to offer me a tax credit. I recycle, I have small energy efficient appliances, I use those wierd swirly bulbs. I don't eat a whole lot of meat, and I buy local and/or organic food when the price isn't a ton higher. I rarely fly. But even then, with my lifestyle, we would need more than three Earths to support everyone present today.

Curious, I punched in 1984-style socialist levels of lifestyle. Apartment dwelling with 7+ people per household, almost no electricity or gas usage, no car but use mass transit, full recycling, no meat, etc. Three earths. Something tells me either right now what I'm doing wrong doesn't have a big impact or the test is funky at the low end of the scale.

Giving reasonably bad choices, that an affluent person might do but not a completely rich person (for example, the equivalent of one transcontinental flight for a vacation once per year) results in just about 20 Earths.

Part of this is an ethical issue. When we talk about high populations in China and India, and about affluence there equaling environmental destruction, the argument becomes "they just need to keep using bicycles, we keep driving Humvees, and it'll all work out fine". There's not really an ethical basis for that argument. They're no different from us. And certainly from their perspective they would argue the inverse, that they should be affluent but everyone else can live like peasants.

I think a good start would be trying to get people to live close to their work, so there was no longer a commute. I live nine blocks from work and I walk there and back every day. Think of the gasoline you'd save if even 1% of Americans stopped commuting. We wouldn't need fake water-powered cars. Things like that just get people's hopes up and make them feel alright about wasting resources. After all, pretty soon we won't have to worry about it because all our cars will run on prayer, right?
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Re: Water powered car
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2008, 09:08:09 pm »

Leo, here's the solution to the problem. Now help me build my interstellar ship.
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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2008, 09:12:50 pm »

very good post there.. braught up a few issues i hadnt been thinking about recently.. the topsoil and so forth..

though the population issue is a stickler for me.. the 'anti abortion' thing pisses me off.. cause we already have too many kids with idiot parents in this world (i was a nanny for a while... taking care of 4 kids that two incompetent parents majorly fucked up)

kids are great and all, dont get me wrong.. but this 'be fruitful and multiply' bullshit is whats really going to kill us.. eventually it will come down to the crux of the issue.. all these fake issues will disapear.. abortion? psh.. birth control? hah.. real sex ed disallowed in school? maybe when every parent does their part...

people need to stop eating 24oz steaks and start eating a stew with 24oz of meat that feeds 10..
poor beef farming and pork farming.. but they can switch or find a new way of life.. the days of raising a family of 7 sons to take over the family farm are over..

things change.. people need to change with it.
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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2008, 09:53:56 pm »

The countries that are causing population problems... are not the ones that have anti-abortion organizations. 

The majority of European nations are actually... shrinking.

The United States... is entirely defendant upon immigration for population growth.  Without that, it too would shrink.

Blame China, blame India, don't blame the developed nations.  You can't reduce the number of rabbits in Australia by killing them off in Brazil, so why would you think humans work the same way?
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« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2008, 09:58:53 pm »

Birth control laws. Neuter the parent once they've had their 2 kids. Stop health care research, they live well past their usefulness already. Food is only available through rations.

Bring on the soylant cola! Make Room, Make Room!

There's plenty of acceptable band aids to address the problem, but is there a pleasant solution?

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Don't blame the developed nations? Some of the developed nations, regardless of population growth, are the ones sucking up the majority of the resources. The massive reproduction rate is more of a tool to ensure human survival in 2nd/3rd world countries if anything. At least one of their kids will live long enough to breed 12 more.
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