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[Neonivek]

"Why do you want tunnels to just collapse? There is no reason for them to"

I gave two ways... and the second was you collapsing it yourself (probably with a Miner)

The reason why a Tunnel could just collapse on its own could be that it wasn't made to last.

[Jamuk]

Why not just build walls or supports if you don't want something to collapse and put walls in to cover up holes they dig?

[Neonivek]

Why not just build walls or supports if you don't want something to collapse and put walls in to cover up holes they dig?

Either way... I just wanted to put in a method in which people won't complain that "Diggers" ruin their base designs... Since I kinda regret not being in the community at the time the Antmen could dig into your base

[Boomer]

Here is an idea... rebuild!

Kobold and Goblin tunnelers knocked a dent in your fortress? Clean it up. End of problem.

[bigmcstrongmuscle]

I'd be cool with tunneling monsters, just as soon as I could engrave constructed walls. Nothing worse than a resplendently engraved room interrupted by a swath of blank construction.

[Cajoes]

They could also try to dress up as elves and have lots of naked (ok, not necessarily) warriors hide in the wagon. If you like to keep your trade depot deep inside your fortress, then you're royally screwed.
"Ok, let's what crap yo- argh!"

Smart, but would not work on one of my forts. Our trade depot (pure silver, imported) lies situated a few layers below surface, in a featureless 7x7x2 (seven by seven tiles, two tiles tall) chamber. With a shooting gallery overlooking the depot from the second floor. In case of anything our marksdwarves can't take out within seconds. We can also seal the chamber completely and flood it. And if that doesn't work.. Well we're out of ideas. Nothing enters or leaves the fortress without the Administrator giving the OK.

And that's just the lobby!

Maybe I shouldn't be turning my fortress into one giant death-trap.
Architect Guild: Dwarven Research Outpost: Lobby Entrance.

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░░░░╠X╣░░░░1st floor,
╔═══╝+╚═══╗
║#+++++++#║ Drains,
║+++++++++║
║++O███O++║
║++█████++║ Depot
║++█████++║
║++█████++║
║++O███O++║
║+++++++++║
║#+++++++#║ Drains
╚══╗+++╔══╝
░░░╠+++╣░░░ Flood gates
░╔═╝+++╚═╗░
░║#+++++#║░
░║+++++++║░
░║++AAA++║░ ramps
░║++O═0++║░ ramp support walls
░║+++++++║░
░╚═══════╝░
░░░░░░░░░░░

2nd floor.
+++++++++++
+++++++++++ shooting gallery
╬╬╬╬╬╬╬╬╬╬╬ fortifications.
║╠═══════╣║ retractable bridge (and water seal)
║         ║
║         ║
╣         ║
X         ║ flood-gate*
╣         ║
║         ║
║         ║
╚═════════╝
░░░░░░░░░░░
░╔═══════╗░
░║+++++++║░
░║++VVV++║░
░║+++++++║░
░║++AAA++║░
░║++╔╦╗++║░
░╚══╩╩╩══╝░
░░░░░░░░░░░




edit: Found a little whoopsie there on level two. Tiled floor before the down ramps, not a empty space...

[wallish]

...pretty pictures...

change to the code tag and that should all line up correctly.

[DarkAvenger]

How about being able to destroy constructed walls? At least they cant destroy any base design that you cant just repair.

[Neonivek]

True... Ive found myself contructing walls when I found veins.

[1138]

Smart, but would not work on one of my forts. Our trade depot (pure silver, imported) lies situated a few layers below surface, in a featureless 7x7x2 (seven by seven tiles, two tiles tall) chamber. With a shooting gallery overlooking the depot from the second floor. In case of anything our marksdwarves can't take out within seconds. We can also seal the chamber completely and flood it. And if that doesn't work.. Well we're out of ideas. Nothing enters or leaves the fortress without the Administrator giving the OK.

And that's just the lobby!

I bow to your massive paranoia.

If goblins get all these added abilities, I hope the dwarves get some too. I would especially like the ability to assign squads basic formations, thereby adding a little more strategy to melee combat. For instance:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Repellere equites ("repel horses") was the formation used to resist cavalry. The legionaries would assume a square formation, holding their pila as spears in the space between their shields and strung together shoulder to shoulder.
At the command eicere pila, the legionaries hurled their pila at the enemy.
At the command cuneum formate, the infantry formed a wedge to charge and break enemy lines. This formation was used as a shock tactic.
At the command contendite vestra sponte, the legionaries assumed an aggressive stance and attacked every opponent they faced.
At the command orbem formate, the legionaries assumed a circle-like formation with the archers placed in the midst of and behind the legionaries providing missile fire support. This tactic was used mainly when a small number of legionaries had to hold a position and were surrounded by enemies.
At the command ciringite frontem, the legionaries held their position.
At the command frontem allargate, a scattered formation was adopted.
At the command testudinem formate, the legionaries assumed the testudo (tortoise) formation. This was slow moving but almost impenetrable to enemy fire, and thus very effective during sieges and/or when facing off against enemy archers. However in hand to hand fighting then the testudo was a weak formation and therefore it was only adopted when the enemy were far enough away so as the legionaries could get into another formation before being attacked.
At the command Agmen formate, the legionaries assumed a square formation, which was also the typical shape of a century in battle.

The above from this page

[Neonivek]

Not all tactics would work in Dwarf Fortress

For example a "Square" Formation is entirely moot since Calvalry is limited and does not jump.

Circle Archer/Mounted-Archer Formation is moot because movement does not decrease accuracy

Scattered Formation is greatly weakened due to the high accuracy and damage of ranged weapons... You would probably want a line formation in Dwarf Fortress due to how arrows miss

[Jualin]

However, a set of predefined formations doesn't sit well with the free form style of Dwarf Fortress. Then again, I'd be hard pressed to give you an example how military formations can be improvised through A.I. rules. Somehow, though, I imagine goblin forces assuming a formation much in the same way multi-tile creatures might be implemented.

And on an off topic note, upon reading the turtle and box formations I thought, "Wonderdwarf powers, activate! I assume the form of a giant box!"

[1138]

Meh, you're probably right. I know little about battles and less about programming.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm not sure if I made myself clear though, I was thinking along the lines of a squad can be set to use a formation via [m]-[v]-[whatever button]. So you could set a legendary shield user's squad to tortoise formation and they would stick together to have all their shield protection multiplied by (insert number here), and the damage they do to the goblins somewhat reduced. Once they were past the marksgoblins, you could set them to break that formation and fight back to back, for instance, for slightly increased damage/protection. Cleaning up the field and killing off stragglers you would turn all formations off and let them fight as they pleased. I guess I'm thinking that since goblins can bring bigger armies than most fortresses can maintain, and there's a good chance that goblins will soon be much better at getting into the fortresses, I want a better way of engaging them on the field of battle than to just throw legendaries at them and hope for the best.

^ spoilered because it's 3am and I'm rambling.

[Fleeb]

I'd be happy if I could get a military that would actually show up to battle, rather than 3/4 of them sleeping, drinking, partying, etc.

[Techhead]

Goblin engineer.
A wimpy wrestler with [trAPAVOID] and [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]