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[Maximum Spin]

Also not sure if that last max post counts as an emotional appeal or not.

I just mean, remember that for tomorrow when the game doesn't end.

[Imp]

Also not sure if that last max post counts as an emotional appeal or not.

I totally don't think Max using emotional appeal is Alignment Indicative.  If so, he was doing it D1:

Nobody ever believes in me, it's very hurtful. It's not my fault I win as scum all the time.

I think we have a totally terrifying MS here.  But is it a totally terrifying town or scum MS?  I have literally no idea.

However, I beg you all for the love of the Mafia game itself, NEVER use this as an argument again:

Anyway, Imp, you've got to understand that I have implicit trust for Toony so far this game. If he says he can work with webadict, I just don't think we should get rid of webadict yet. There will be more time.

This game, there's plenty of ways for anti-town and town to 'help' each other, a LOT.  And this game... time is the one thing we maybe don't have.  Unless the anti-town are like Tric and Tric's being honest.  If that's all the scum have, we got all game.

If the scum have stuff like web had, we have no time.

But, Max...

I just mean, remember that for tomorrow when the game doesn't end.

Promise.  If you're not anti-town, I care about you and your wincon, and want you to win too.

[ToonyMan]

I don't think NJW is mafia whether Max is town or mafia.

I think Elephant (and maybe FoU) is more suspicious if Max is town. Don't feel like considering Jack right now. I will try to consider NJW being mafia more seriously if Max is town because it means his case on NJW is coming from genuine feelings.

There's less than an hour left right? I don't see any big twists or turns since last night.

I'm sure people watching are screaming at me or Elephant to hammer Max, but I don't think I will unless he asks me to. Consider this my vote for Max. I think Max is a much better vote than NJW.

[Imp]

Imp can go ahead with their item plans.

Yes, but I have to walk back a little my implicit stuff.  When I got dupped... some stuff changed.  And the excited mod told me directly something that he had to walk back; I spotted the inconsistency and checked... but not before I believed his message to me with my N1 results and started to make plans based on facts that were... though mod-said, not actually facts as he said directly said.

So, I have to change some of my plans, because even though the mod said something like 'before you ask, yes, this means you can X'.... I had to ask anyway, and yeah, I can't actually do X.

May the mod have mercy on us all, whatever comes!

[Imp]

Consider this my vote for Max. I think Max is a much better vote than NJW.

Sure.  Giving NJW time to answer before hammer/day end, if he chooses to, is pro-town, especially if we elim Max.

Elim Max makes it 'safer' for NJW to answer, because Max is a known "I can change a sphere, just tell me which one!" and a direct danger to town in that way if Max is anti-town.

If Max is pro-town...

Flippin A.  But if Max is pro-town.  Which I can see either way, true null.

I really think NJW is likely scum, but let's see what happens N2!

But no rush.

NJW, help us help you, or not.

There's still ways to help you D3, if I really like how N2 goes, but I have to wonder if you're anti-town faking good stuff so town lets you kill em later or not.  Much to discuss, good luck to us all!

[Maximum Spin]

I thought of something and decided to come back again:

I'd move to no-lynch if enough other players will. I don't think it'd lose the game at all, since NJW is supposed to be taking care of the mafiakill, so either that works or you guys know what to do about it tomorrow.

In fact, I might as well go ahead and do it: No lynch.

Personally, I'd rather test Jack's immortality than a no-lynch if there's a good chance they're equivalent, but I don't think ToonyMan wants to do that.

[Elephant Parade]

I see your point but I'd need to be ~99% confident that the page would work to No Lynch, and I'm not even close to that.

[notquitethere]

A surprising last minute proposal is raised.

Vote Count — Day 2
- Crystalizedmire -
- Elephant Parade
- Euchrejack -
- FallacyofUrist -   
- Imp -
- Maximum Spin - [4] NJW2000, Crystalizedmire, Euchrejack, Tricmagic
- NJW2000 - [2] , Imp, FallacyofUrist
- Toonyman -
- TricMagic - 
- No Elimination - [1] Maximum Spin

Current Elimination: Maximum Spin

Hammer at 5 votes. Day ends 6th February 10pm GMT, in approximately 30 minutes.

Current Trades:

Euchrejack: Trade Blue Chaos Emerald for Robert Louis Stevenson's Inkstained Bible Page
Euchrejack: Trade Blue Chaos Emerald for Yellow Chaos Emerald
Imp: Trade Yellow Chaos Emerald for Robert Louis Stevenson's Inkstained Bible Page
Imp: Trade Arthur Conan Doyle's Magnifying Glass for Airsoft Rifle
NJW2000: Trade Billy the Kid's Six-Shooter for Purple Chaos Emerald
Imp: Trade Yellow Chaos Emerald for Billy the Kid's Six-Shooter
Elephant Parade: Trade Airsoft Rifle for Magnifying Glass
NJW2000: Trade Billy the Kid's Six-Shooter for Yellow Chaos Emerald
Elephant Parade: Trade Airsoft Rifle for Arthur Conan Doyle's Magnifying Glass
NJW2000:Trade Billy the Kid's Six-Shooter for Yellow Chaos Emerald

Let me know if I've missed anything.

NQT, if a Limitation ability gains a Limitation sphere, would any change occur or be shown?

Abilities cannot gain the same sphere twice. Otherwise, I refer you to my previous reply:

NQT: Generally speaking, if a player's ability is modified via the application of a sphere, will they be informed?

Player learn at the phase if their abilities have been changed. Players always know what abilities they have at the time when they can use them.

[Imp]

I see your point but I'd need to be ~99% confident that the page would work to No Lynch, and I'm not even close to that.

I'm good with this.  Sorry, Max, but it's very rare in any game that a no elim is the best answer.

This game, I am 100% sure we don't have time.  No elim brings more time.  I'd take a no-elim over someone I was very sure was town.

You were high on my elim list.  It hurts me to lose anyone but anti-town (it actually weakens me to lose any player, but anti-town have to go).  But I can't justify a no-elim either, because there is the chance you are anti-town, and it's no better than null to me.

[Imp]

Player learn at the phase if their abilities have been changed. Players always know what abilities they have at the time when they can use them.

Max has a day ability I think, to change spheres.

Except... FoU.  Did you change at start of night or start of day?

Max I think promised if kill sphere changed, it'll stop kills in progress.

That means it works during the day?  So we'd know at start of night.

But if it's a night ability, and he uses it N2, I don't see how it would change what happens N2.  We'd have to be told if I understand the mod right.

Maybe I don't understand.

[NJW2000]

Ok, back after taking a break from this. I still find the length of this thread quite frustrating, but I guess it’s something to take as it comes.

Didn’t realise we were this close to the elim, should have come back earlier.

Haven’t been following so my thoughts haven’t changed on the elim really…

I don’t need any one shots of my own refreshed. Dup anything else, like the apple, or hold it, or whatever would be sensible, I’m not clear on the mechanics there.

I won’t give anyone the page tonight, just so that’s clear.

[Imp]

I don’t need any one shots of my own refreshed. Dup anything else, like the apple, or hold it, or whatever would be sensible, I’m not clear on the mechanics there.

I won’t give anyone the page tonight, just so that’s clear.

Perfect.

We have much to discuss D3, hope we're both alive to discuss.

[Maximum Spin]

Max has a day ability I think, to change spheres.

Except... FoU.  Did you change at start of night or start of day?

Max I think promised if kill sphere changed, it'll stop kills in progress.

That means it works during the day?  So we'd know at start of night.

But if it's a night ability, and he uses it N2, I don't see how it would change what happens N2.  We'd have to be told if I understand the mod right.

Maybe I don't understand.

It's a night ability that resolves before other actions taking place that night, so it can change them. That means that actions being used might do something totally different from what they said they'd do.

[Imp]

It's a night ability that resolves before other actions taking place that night, so it can change them. That means that actions being used might do something totally different from what they said they'd do.

Believable to me, even with the mod 'unclear, is that a counterclaim?', sounds much like how a target can be redirected.  We know what we try to do, other abilities can change the result from what we expect.

[Maximum Spin]

It's a night ability that resolves before other actions taking place that night, so it can change them. That means that actions being used might do something totally different from what they said they'd do.

Believable to me, even with the mod 'unclear, is that a counterclaim?', sounds much like how a target can be redirected.  We know what we try to do, other abilities can change the result from what we expect.

Right.