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[Imp]

Apparently, NJW somehow survived his possession of the bible page already, and we have no reason to believe he can't survive it again.

based on those who discussed this Page very closely, it doesn't work if traded until the next night after it's traded.  So, most of us understood, and openly discussed, that the Page wasn't going to do anything N1, since it was traded D1, but if NJW still has it tonight, it's working there for N2.

So, based on those claims and the lack of this Page appearing in my grasp, which was what I asked for as the fall back plan, I think NJW has it, it does what was claimed or close enough, and it hasn't been used/tested yet.

We find out more tonight maybe!

[Imp]

Ninja.
VERY SUS. 
But we're still not voting Imp.

Cool.  Explain why this is very sus.

Really, really really.  I could vote you over this.  I need to know why you need to know, and why you see this all the way up to sus at the level you see this.

Maybe I'm making a terrible mistake.  How is what I'm doing harmful to town?

[EuchreJack]

@Imp: This is my explanation, that I was typing as you made your two posts.
We have a word to describe players that "muddy the waters"
That word is "scum"

Don't be like scum. 
Help us figure things out. Help town clarify things in the open, since we don't have a scumchat to plot and scheme.

Do everyone a favor and save the 200 IQ moves for the likes of Toonyman or Max, who are veterans that can more successfully pull them off.
Or at least they know the risks due to their vast experience, and can properly weigh the pros and cons. We newer townies can help by giving accurate information, or at least by not spreading misinformation.

[Imp]

@Imp: This is my explanation, that I was typing as you made your two posts.
We have a word to describe players that "muddy the waters"
That word is "scum"

Don't be like scum. 
Help us figure things out. Help town clarify things in the open, since we don't have a scumchat to plot and scheme.

Do everyone a favor and save the 200 IQ moves for the likes of Toonyman or Max, who are veterans that can more successfully pull them off.
Or at least they know the risks due to their vast experience, and can properly weigh the pros and cons. We newer townies can help by giving accurate information, or at least by not spreading misinformation.

What I get from this is you, with your experience and intellect, cannot see a pro-town reason or use for my actions.  And you think I'm wrong/incapable of finding any reasonable pro-town outcome for what I'm doing.

Neat.  I accept your suspicion.  I find your suspicious.

I wonder how many others find the sum total of my actions, and/or this one thing alone, very sus/anti-town.

[EuchreJack]

...but whatever. Web wanted Imp dead, and Web was mafia. Toony wants Imp alive, and seems townie enough. So we're not voting Imp today, even if this apple business is sus.
...
Ninja.
VERY SUS. 
But we're still not voting Imp.

@Imp: I don't want to talk with you any more. I explicitly have stated that we are NOT voting you.
If I continue this conversation, I don't think I can keep that promise. And I do NOT want to vote you.

ElephantParade is the correct vote. Ignoring Imp is also the correct move.

[EuchreJack]

Where is Fallacy?

[FallacyofUrist]

Alright, since I don't think anyone else's brought it up,

Weird that this is the first post I see when I wake up. I can't shake the feeling that this is exactly the most likely team.

Your weird talk about being masons with them.
You tell web & toony jump (vote CM) - they jump.

Fallacy's post on how Toony keeps doing this thing where he asserts things without providing reasons was a great coherent argument from him, I'm impressed. The thing is, all three of you have been doing that.

And then I see both Toony and web assert that we need to keep Max alive because he supposedly can separate the lovers, which is a disturbingly bad non-alignment reason to keep someone alive.

If you think Max is town, you keep him alive.
If you think Max is scum, you lynch him and any golden mountains he promised are irrelevant.
And it doesn't even matter in the first place, because the two of them are vulnerable to a nightkill too so if mafia wants the 2-for-1 they can always get it.

So yeah, there are a lot of universes where you three are a team. I have to type this before I go to work and day 1 ends.

Quarque was very suspicious of a Max / Toony / web team before the Day ended. And now he's dead. I'd still like to see ToonyMan dead, no matter how much some people refuse to consider him as a candidate. But as EP advised, I'll look at the actions of other players, too. Getting too tunneled won't help me here.

I'm no longer vulnerable to EuchreJack's death, but the replacement I got is... interesting. Still not sure if I want to claim it. This does make me more inclined to trust Max, but multi-action is always on the table, so I can't rule out he's the killer.

I will happily claim that my own night action is entirely confirmable, though. If anyone feels like they've been duped, please speak up. No need to fully explain, unless you have a good reason.

Where is Fallacy?

Right here.

I was a bit late for work today, so I had to stay late consequently. I'm back home, now.

[Imp]

If anyone feels like they've been duped, please speak up.

I wonder if we have any other dupers though?  If so, that may not confirm much.

Of note, I did not that I know of cause any duplicated abilities last night.

[EuchreJack]

Where is Fallacy?

Right here.

I was a bit late for work today, so I had to stay late consequently. I'm back home, now.

I feel that.  Been there, done that.

[Maximum Spin]

Quarque was very suspicious of a Max / Toony / web team before the Day ended. And now he's dead. I'd still like to see ToonyMan dead, no matter how much some people refuse to consider him as a candidate.

I was gonna say "no". But then I thought, "MVM5 round 3", so I decided to instead say, if webadict and ToonyMan are the mafia and I went along with everything they say again, and so did Jack kinda, then I will actually just quit mafia. I cannot take that again.

I will happily claim that my own night action is entirely confirmable, though. If anyone feels like they've been duped, please speak up. No need to fully explain, unless you have a good reason.

If anyone feels like they've been duped, please speak up.

I wonder if we have any other dupers though?  If so, that may not confirm much.

Of note, I did not that I know of cause any duplicated abilities last night.

Is that what that was supposed to mean? It's weird that you got that out of that. I don't think anyone would have jumped to "duplicate" from that.

That might be what happened to my ability, I guess, I did get a copy of it. Consider this a very weak confirmation unless someone else claims to have done that.

I feel like there was something earlier in the thread I was going to respond to, or something, but I don't remember right now so I'll just reread it later, hopefully after getting some sleep.

[Imp]

I'm no longer vulnerable to EuchreJack's death

I like helping people unless it's against my wincon, and there's currently a totally helpless and powerless player who can win with town.  Who died while helping town, but can still win.

If we get the chance, I'd love for us to, without causing problems for any townie/anyone but those we gotta harm anyway, try to work towards

Spoiler: sof's wincon (click to show/hide)

You win and leave the game when every living player has a different ability set than when they started. You can win while dead if this condition is met before or when the game ends. You can lose if the game ends with a Town or Mafia win before your goal is reached.

What counts as a "different ability set":
 A non-item ability has changed its effect or spheres
A non-item ability has gained or lost spheres
A non-item ability has been stolen
- A non-item ability has been gained (including copies of other player's abilities)

What doesn't count as "different ability set":
Shots are depleted or replenished from A limited-shot ability
- Items are gained, lost or changed (they're meant to be moved around)

Fal, did you have an event that qualifies?  For those of us who easily and harmlessly can, be great in my eyes if we achieve that on our way to win.

[Imp]

I feel like there was something earlier in the thread I was going to respond to, or something, but I don't remember right now so I'll just reread it later, hopefully after getting some sleep.

Sleep well!  Maybe it was the reads list I asked for?

[Imp]

I'm fishing for good. And I changed my mind again. I would like to know the number of non-emerald items each player started with, if they're comfortable with that. I began with three.

Can you explain why you believe this is useful for town to know, and not useful for anti-town to know?

Or, maybe it's that you think it's more useful for town than anti-town to know?

[Maximum Spin]

Fal, did you have an event that qualifies?  For those of us who easily and harmlessly can, be great in my eyes if we achieve that on our way to win.

I suppose only Fallacy can say for sure, since I don't get to know what effect my actions have, but I strongly believe they will qualify, yes. Unfortunately, I probably do not have the ability to change everyone by myself, although having one of my actions copied does help, so if that keeps happening, maybe I will.

Sleep well!  Maybe it was the reads list I asked for?

No, I remember that, and I'll get to it when I can focus long enough to type more than... this many sentences.

[Imp]

I think on a purely mechanical level it's evil of NQT to give me an Emerald knowledge ability when the player it benefits would be Mafia, but whatever.

Spoiler: Hey, about 'evil nqt'. (click to show/hide)

Do you have something like:

You can learn about:

Thing
Other thing
Something else
Emeralds
This
That
The other other thing?

If so, you have choices that can help web or others, and that seems not-evil NQT to me.

Now, if you have 'today I am web's servant, and can't help anyone else' powers, that's kinda surprising.