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[Maximum Spin]

Confirm only possible interpretation of information you possess is Esteemed Lenglon visited Esteemed BlackHeartKabal N3?

There's no other possible interpretation that doesn't involve both A) Esteemed BlackHeartKabal still lying, and B) either Esteemed Lenglon also lying or there actually being multiple merge actions / something other than a merge action being responsible for either Esteemed Lenglon's or my results, I guess.

[Imp]

I see 2 dead scum, 3 dead town in a 18 player game that reached D4.

A 9 player game might expect to have 2-3 anti-town.  Maybe an 18 might expect 4-6 anti-town.

Low deaths often involve nearly perfect coordination and/or a cult.

Esteemed Lenglon says "I targeted Max".

Esteemed Maximum Spin says "I have reason to be sure Lenglon targeted BHK."

Do I understand right?

[ToonyMan]

I guess I find BlackHeart the most suspicious between BlackHeart/Knightwing/Secretdorf, however it's almost definitely true that they aren't in a groupchat which means they can't be Mafia.

Are we really sure the Esteemed Jim is actually claiming to have a groupchat? I feel like he would definitely ambiguously imply it and then never bother to correct this, even as town. Because I would, and I feel like that's a good indicator.

If Jim isn't in a groupchat then they should be pushing for BlackHeart's elimination pretty hard as soon as that information came to light. I don't see that.

[Elephant Parade]

BHK: So you have one action that applies Mark and a roleblock and one that just applies Mark?

Yes.

Then I find your claim slightly less believable than before. My roleblock/bomb, a clear parallel to your mark/roleblock, is one action with an optional rider—I roleblock someone and can choose to attach a bomb to them. Yours could work differently but I don't see why it would unless there's something else you aren't saying. Not a huge deal on its own, but another inconsistency for the pile.

Is there anything else you would like to claim?

[Imp]

If Jim isn't in a groupchat then they should be pushing for BlackHeart's elimination pretty hard as soon as that information came to light. I don't see that.

How'd Esteemed Jim Groovester get involved in this again?

Esteemed Lenglon says they targeted Esteemed Maximum Spin, or am I wrong?

I think only Esteemed hector13 says 'I targeted Jim, and I see it worked.'  But it appears that Esteemed Maximum Spin got that effect.
But that's the only claimed target of Esteemed Jim Groovester, right?

[Elephant Parade]

@Fallacy: Do status effects stack unless stated otherwise?

[Jim Groovester]

Max, if you and only you ask me to I will directly clarify a few things.

[ToonyMan]

We can reasonably surmise that Lenglon targeted Jim and BlackHeart last night and learned that one is in a groupchat and one is not in a groupchat.

We can deduce thus:

1. Jim is probably Mafia. BlackHeart isn't in a groupchat and probably Town (or third-party?).
2. Jim is Town and had a groupchat with a deceased player (because nobody has come forward to support Jim). BlackHeart is in a groupchat and probably scum.

Scenario 1 is completely possible. Jim being super shady with claiming the groupchat implies they don't feel comfortable talking about it, in other words they got caught red-handed. I also feel like they haven't really been helping us out here. Where are the big wall of text posts we usually get at like 3am during the game? I feel like I saw one on Day 1 and that's it.

Scenario 2 doesn't really make sense because Jim hasn't been pushing for BlackHeart hard even though he'd know BlackHeart was most likely in a groupchat and hasn't admitted to that fact at all.

I think there's a realistic chance Jim is scum here.

[Elephant Parade]

If Jim isn't in a groupchat then they should be pushing for BlackHeart's elimination pretty hard as soon as that information came to light. I don't see that.

How'd Esteemed Jim Groovester get involved in this again?

Signs (MS's claim of Lenglon's targets; Hector's action being aimed at Jim and hitting MS) point to MS getting bussed with Jim. I suppose hector and MS could be groupscum who set this up as a fakeclaim, but I don't see what the point of that play would be unless BHK is also groupscum with them. I don't find that plausible.

[ToonyMan]

Sorry I meant to say:

2. Jim is Town and not in a group chat.

[FallacyofUrist]

@Fallacy: Do status effects stack unless stated otherwise?

Yes, status effects can stack.

[ToonyMan]

Scenario 3 is that:

3. Jim is Town in a group chat with a deceased player (since nobody has come forward to support Jim). And BlackHeart is also Town.

[BlackHeartKabal]

BHK: So you have one action that applies Mark and a roleblock and one that just applies Mark?

Yes.

Then I find your claim slightly less believable than before. My roleblock/bomb, a clear parallel to your mark/roleblock, is one action with an optional rider—I roleblock someone and can choose to attach a bomb to them. Yours could work differently but I don't see why it would unless there's something else you aren't saying. Not a huge deal on its own, but another inconsistency for the pile.

Is there anything else you would like to claim?

The roleblock isn't Innate, if that matters.

[ToonyMan]

Max, if you and only you ask me to I will directly clarify a few things.

Jim you have a lot of the information here. If you're really in a groupchat you should probably be wary about a BlackHeart elimination. If you're not in a groupchat then...isn't BlackHeart just scum here from your POV?

[Imp]

Max, if you and only you ask me to I will directly clarify a few things.

Jim you have a lot of the information here. If you're really in a groupchat you should probably be wary about a BlackHeart elimination. If you're not in a groupchat then...isn't BlackHeart just scum here from your POV?

Thank you for putting effort into this when you feel sick, I really appreciate that and hope you quickly feel better.