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[Imp]

It's okay, guys.  I won't be inflicting my presence on you in future mafia games.  Your distress is as unpleasant for me as you claim interaction with me is for you.

Again, this is something better handled out of thread, except for you guys, apparently it can't or shouldn't be.

I'll see how silent I can be for the rest of the game, without failing in my reasons for being here entirely.

Esteemed Knightwing64.

[Maximum Spin]

Nobody had better be killing Esteemed hector.

Ugh, that looks so stupid since I had to add "Esteemed". Of course I initially forgot and wrote it without, but I remembered before hitting post this time, but it just ruins the natural flow.

Well, it doesn't actually matter in that I've already sailed that ship this turn, but like I said, trying to get into the habit.

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal, I guess.

[notquitethere]

These day phases are a little too long, people get worn down and tetchy. It's a sign that you're engaged despite yourself. I think this speaks well of Imp, Hector and Elephant's alignments here.

Like I said before, I'm happy with BlackHeartKabal

[Mamobo]

Vote Count
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-> BlackHeartKabal  --4-- Elephant Parade*, hector13*, Maximum Spin*, notquitethere*,
Knightwing64        --3-- Lenglon*, Jim Groovester*, Imp*,
Secretdorf          --1-- BlackHeartKabal*,
Elephant Parade     --0--
hector13            --0--
Imp                 --0--
Jim Groovester      --0--
Lenglon             --0--
Maximum Spin        --0--
notquitethere       --0--
The Canadian kitten --0--
ToonyMan            --0--
No One              --0--

Not Voting          --7-- Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, The Canadian kitten, ToonyMan,

8 to Hammer. Day ends on December 30, 2023 at 18:00 Central Standard Time (4 hours and 3 minutes remaining.)

[Maximum Spin]

It's okay, guys.  I won't be inflicting my presence on you in future mafia games.  Your distress is as unpleasant for me as you claim interaction with me is for you.

Again, this is something better handled out of thread, except for you guys, apparently it can't or shouldn't be.

I'll see how silent I can be for the rest of the game, without failing in my reasons for being here entirely.

I understand your feelings, but sulk isn't the answer here.

[Imp]

Esteemed BlackHeartKabal.

[Jim Groovester]

But the Knightwing64 summoning ritual isn't complete yet.

[hector13]

Only god can judge him now, Jim Esteemed Jim Groovester.

My phone is autocorrecting “Esteemed” to “Esteeked” wtf 

[The Canadian kitten]

BlackHeartKabal

Hopefully Knightwing does show and do something useful next day if still alive.

[Elephant Parade]

I'm sure I don't need to say this, but we're at L-2 and it'd be extremely silly to hammer before BHK comes online.

[ToonyMan]

I guess I find BlackHeart the most suspicious between BlackHeart/Knightwing/Secretdorf, however it's almost definitely true that they aren't in a groupchat which means they can't be Mafia.

[Lenglon]

So I'm here now and apparently we're lynching BHK? I can go with that, their claimed non-action seems out-of-place, their logic for who they used it on is strange, and Max (who has gotten mafia lynched) claims to have privileged information that says I visited them instead of them visiting me. I'll leave my vote on knightwing for now because he's also a fine lynch in my eyes, and I want him to post or be modkilled. Also because BHK is at L-2.

I do see an argument to lynch secretdorf out of paranoia, but I think they're probably town so it should be fine. I could also go after Hector but don't have good logic to support that suspicion.

Right this moment I trust Toony, Max, Imp, and for some reason EP. Don't have good logic on that last one but it's how I feel.

[FallacyofUrist]

Re: Knightwing.

He hasn't been online since the 28th, according to his profile. I'd say it's fair that if he hasn't posted by the end of the Day, then I'll modkill him after the execution.

[Maximum Spin]

Imp, dropping the honorific intentionally as I'm speaking frankly outside the confines of this mafia game, sidebar.

Can I offer you a new mafia bible? You can throw out that old ragged Jimnosis edition. Nobody asks questions anymore. Instead, here's my advice to you about how to play mafia, and what you're missing:

Every single player in this game is an individual human being. You have to engage with and understand each player as a separate and particular human being with his own independent nature. There are no universal rules for the right thing to do at any moment, because everything depends on with whom and to whom you are doing it.
You must know your audience, and tune yourself to that audience.
If your actions are not making the other players react in the way that furthers your win condition, you are doing wrong, not they. Everything you say should be thought through in relation to each other player. If you find yourself repeating something in exasperation because nobody seems to get it, for example, and you can't see where everyone else is coming from - that means you're saying the wrong thing. Mafia is a social game where the individual human natures of the players is everything, and you need to understand how your actions will play into that network. You don't seem to see other people very well — your words suggest you're always thinking about what you would do and what a given thing would mean to or from you. To play mafia, you have to learn the people with whom you're playing, because you'll get nowhere locked inside your own head.
To quote your old quote you were focusing on before, "aggressively questioning everything you find odd or scummy" is a recipe for failure because other people think differently from you. The things that seem important to you are not necessarily important to anyone else, or at all, and often you will just need to shut up about them because it doesn't direct other people toward fulfilling your win condition.

[Maximum Spin]

I guess I find BlackHeart the most suspicious between BlackHeart/Knightwing/Secretdorf, however it's almost definitely true that they aren't in a groupchat which means they can't be Mafia.

Are we really sure the Esteemed Jim is actually claiming to have a groupchat? I feel like he would definitely ambiguously imply it and then never bother to correct this, even as town. Because I would, and I feel like that's a good indicator.