Esteemed
BlackHeartKabal: You have
some questions pending of me, I'll answer now.
"Firstly - what is thunderdoming, then?" I actually don't know. First heard it in this game, and gave it meaning based on context. I believe it means argue in a mutual OMGUS way that likely ends with one of the two eliminated, or else make an utter 'I will die on this hill' case against someone. I'm not trying to do either, thus my statement that I'm not thunderdoming.
"Second - you pressure him, you vote him, you ask him questions that, to my memory, there were no satisfactory answers to. Is that not the definition of a good lead? What has Sofanthiel done to dissuade voting them? What have they done to make any of us think that they're town in a sense beyond "I need to convince the others I'm on their side to cover my own arse"?"
A couple games ago, I 'thunderdomed' (my second definition) to death the Esteemed sofanthiel D1, in a game we were both town. Wasn't scumhunting. I do try to separate scummy from scum. My current big concern is that the Esteemed sofanthiel seems to be trying to die this game, this turn especially. While jesters are not a thing, ploys are. When someone dies and how can matter here - I know that for sure from my own original role this game. I am concerned that may be part of what happens here, and I don't want to set it up. But 'if you are the D3 elimination, then X' - with an X that really benefits a wincon, seems plausible.
That said, I'm just watching patterns. I don't have any mechanics info about this.
However, my original discussion and probing of the Esteemed Sofanthiel back D1 was that, the same as my discussion with you - to me. I want to see your thinking and determine your intentions, which I mean to use to determine your wincon. And, given it's D1 and this was me, this game, everything about my role factors was also part of it. "Town with an agenda that was complex and difficult, and could change the game and doesn't have much control over it, needs to be super careful, and just outed myself to scum told how to kill me to get a prize' - that's where my head was. I was looking for specific things, and aware scumhunting (which I don't think I'm particularly good at, classically especially) helps my team a lot, so I was doing what I could on a lot of different levels.
"In terms of your theory of there being no anti-town, it isn't a bastard, and besides that, I think the game would have just ended if there were no anti-town players. In a word, ignorable, if I were particularly dismissive."
Sure. From my point of view - I saw my own role and I saw the Esteemed TricMagic's roleflip, and that's all I know. Also, I am a newbie, to games like mafia, and I had never even heard of a 'bastard game' except maybe in passing, I sure didn't know what it was. But I knew what I saw in the Esteemed TricMagic's roleflip, and what I had seen in my own role and what I had already discussed with the Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist. Feel free to dismiss that reaction of mine - but it's based on what I knew for sure about the game at that point, and was genuine.
"I don't get what you're trying to get out of this other than my thought process and priorities - what are you trying to do?" Genuinely get your thought processes and priorities. Those are gold to me, that's literally how I play games like this, which I am not a newbie at, by far. Games 'like' mafia get played irl, and I've been involved in a lot of that, of a few flavors. So I move towards putting a theory of mind on your actions, one that looks flawless, if I can. Allowing for 'this trick, that mislead', whatever I can adjust for, that makes sense to me.
I can also intend to manipulate, and/or be direct. My recent interactions with you were literally, and directly, to the point of 'help me and others understand you, your thinking, your intentions'.
D1 and D2, when I had a rather more complex role, I wanted all that too, from everyone, and needed to communicate some information and needed to decide some stuff, like who to help and how when I could potentially do anything and anything I did was likely to have consequences far past what I could ask for, foresee, or predict.
... I'm going to remain calm, of course. But I asked for that role, and that was extremely well tailor made for me, better than even what I directly requested. It's kinda rude to be happy that has changed, so if you choose yourself to be kind, please don't cheer visibly. Something of great value to me was affected without my consent, and to my standards I played that role well for town indeed, while I could.
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