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[TricMagic]

2 now. Also this.

[Elephant Parade]

That's a token, so unless I'm misunderstanding something, it shouldn't be targetable by Resurrection in the first place.

[TricMagic]

Doesn't have a cost, so it's a flat 1 since there isn't an X value.

This thing is also summoned by a 20 cost card with a time delay of one turn. So 2 turns until it starts beating down the doors. Thing has more attack than anything else in the game.

[Stirk]

Doesn't have a cost, so it's a flat 1 since there isn't an X value.

This thing is also summoned by a 20 cost card with a time delay of one turn. So 2 turns until it starts beating down the doors. Thing has more attack than anything else in the game.

It would have been beaten by the 0 cost lego babies form Elephant's last game

[Elephant Parade]

Doesn't have a cost, so it's a flat 1 since there isn't an X value.

This thing is also summoned by a 20 cost card with a time delay of one turn. So 2 turns until it starts beating down the doors. Thing has more attack than anything else in the game.

What, really? I assumed tokens were costless—i.e., they literally do not have a cost stat and can't interact with cost-dependent effects—not cost-0.

It would have been beaten by the 0 cost lego babies form Elephant's last game

lmao

e: it also dies to Battle Butler / Battle Butler / Avenging Maid

[notquitethere]

Are you honestly suggesting you would have let the 100 star card slide if I didn’t have UMW? Because I have a free revision and am perfectly happy to call your bluff after the nerf.

Well, maybe not that card exactly as originally written because of its specific effects, but my point is I'd be able to give you more powerful maids if you didn't have a play-any-three-maids-for-8-stars, right? So, you might find the change is in your benefit.


As for babies vs eldritch horrors... the babies costed 2 stars per transformation, so 8 of them was 16 stars (at 32 collective attack if it hadn't been buffed), so actually fairly equivalent. Maid Works, a lot less so.

 Biodiversity's changes are going to slow down the token spam quite a lot, and we'll see about those maids.


I'm half-way through the reviewed cards. Thanks for pointing out the potential token loophole. Good spot, Tric.

[Elephant Parade]

Yeah, I don't think Baby Swarm's transform effect is actually particularly good. The busted part is the number of tokens it summons.

[TricMagic]

Honestly I plan to get some eggs next duel. Tasty and broken for scrambling. (They might need a cost up.. Grade A freshness.)

[Stirk]

e: it also dies to Battle Butler / Battle Butler / Avenging Maid

If you have half you cards in the graveyard I guess. 20 cards would be needed to beat it by 1 :V

Are you honestly suggesting you would have let the 100 star card slide if I didn’t have UMW? Because I have a free revision and am perfectly happy to call your bluff after the nerf.

Well, maybe not that card exactly as originally written because of its specific effects, but my point is I'd be able to give you more powerful maids if you didn't have a play-any-three-maids-for-8-stars, right? So, you might find the change is in your benefit.

You keep saying that but if its not true at all :V. The thing is I can already make any card I want a maid with Maid Disguise, so if I'm into cheese like Elephant Parade I could just pick an OP non-maid card to use with it. If you're going to be nerfing my cards by that logic then every card should be nerfed with that logic since I can use UMW with any card. I also have access to and use Omnipotent Goddess Waifu, so you'd still balance any powerful cards on the assumption that I can play them for cheap. Adding into the fact that at some point the Star cost becomes arbitrarily high that it might as well be infinite and 8 star cards are already supposed to be basically game winners. If I made a 15 star card we'd both be in the assumption I'm not actually going to pay full price for it even discounting UMW. That was kinda my parody with making a 100 star card, any card worth over 10 might as well be 100 stars since you're only really going to use it with cheese.

The babies where 8 16/16 without the grow up effect, so they beat the eldrich horror for 0 stars. Or the cost of the honeycomb, which was what like 2 stars? Anyway since the effect was optional they would beat it without spending anything.

[notquitethere]

In altering cards for balance, I always want to keep them interesting, or possibly make them more tactically interesting, but better costed. Most of the really dodgy OP combos come from playing multiple spells, so I put an end to those specifically.

Spoiler: Revised Cards (click to show/hide)

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=So the idea with the original cost is sort of "dark pact", hence the cost in hearts rather than stars. But it's too cheap at that, and in any case, Lambs have lots of good reasons to discard their cards and lots of ways to gain cards to discard. So, let's keep the dark pact element and push it a bit further. It now only works with creature cards (which makes more intuitive sense for a resurrection).  (I fixed the spelling of the title as well.)

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Biodiversity is just pure upside too-good-to-print nonsense I devised years ago when I didn't know any better. Following Fog of War, playing two cards should have restrictions and cost at least a star. I gave it the niche benefit so it wasn't just a worse version of Fog of War.

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I might have nerfed Verdant Growth too much... but in high star decks, I don't want endless VG combos, and it's more thematic if it actually grows a living card and not another spell effect.

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An 8 star card should have a huge effect. 8 stars is ordinarily very expensive! And in altering it, I wanted to keep the scary power to literally play any maid going, and I didn't expect a player to have much star change left over after paying 8 for UMW, and searching and playing for three cards shouldn't be much cheaper than this in any case. So what to do? Well, here comes the concept of Star Debt... Is this a good idea? We shall see!. But either way, it's not *more* game breaking than before (though Stirk will see that this revision actually allows one Maid that had hitherto been unsummonable to be summoned this way, albeit with debt likely).

[Elephant Parade]

Interesting changes. The new Divine Lambsurrection looks pretty fun to mess around with. Did Call of the Grave and Grand Canyon ever get revised?

e: How does the new Lambsurrection interact with X-heart cards like Lamb Gravedigger?

[notquitethere]

Interesting changes. The new Divine Lambsurrection looks pretty fun to mess around with. Did Call of the Grave and Grand Canyon ever get revised?

Oops, haven't posted those yet. I'm going to bed now, but tomorrow......

e: How does the new Lambsurrection interact with X-heart cards like Lamb Gravedigger?

Spoiler: Explanations (click to show/hide)

Gravedigger explicitly says what its base hearts are equal to.



So if there are ten cards with hearts in the graveyard, it'll do ten damage to summon the gravedigger, then 10 more if it leaves play.



Epiphany doesn't have any hearts when it's in the graveyard so you can't resurrect it.



If you play Soul Hunter for 0 stars, it has no stats and dies instantly.



Rabbits are interpreted the same as the Gravedigger. If there are no other rabbits in play, it costs 1 heart and 1 when it leaves play (even if its hearts increase in between). If there's another Rabbit in play, you put the rezzed Rabbit in play and lose two hearts, and so on.

I think those are all the legal X-heart cards, but I might have missed some.

[Elephant Parade]

Ah, that makes sense. I assumed base = printed.

[Stirk]

In altering cards for balance, I always want to keep them interesting, or possibly make them more tactically interesting, but better costed. Most of the really dodgy OP combos come from playing multiple spells, so I put an end to those specifically.

Spoiler: Revised Cards (click to show/hide)

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=So the idea with the original cost is sort of "dark pact", hence the cost in hearts rather than stars. But it's too cheap at that, and in any case, Lambs have lots of good reasons to discard their cards and lots of ways to gain cards to discard. So, let's keep the dark pact element and push it a bit further. It now only works with creature cards (which makes more intuitive sense for a resurrection).  (I fixed the spelling of the title as well.)

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Biodiversity is just pure upside too-good-to-print nonsense I devised years ago when I didn't know any better. Following Fog of War, playing two cards should have restrictions and cost at least a star. I gave it the niche benefit so it wasn't just a worse version of Fog of War.

-->

I might have nerfed Verdant Growth too much... but in high star decks, I don't want endless VG combos, and it's more thematic if it actually grows a living card and not another spell effect.

-->

An 8 star card should have a huge effect. 8 stars is ordinarily very expensive! And in altering it, I wanted to keep the scary power to literally play any maid going, and I didn't expect a player to have much star change left over after paying 8 for UMW, and searching and playing for three cards shouldn't be much cheaper than this in any case. So what to do? Well, here comes the concept of Star Debt... Is this a good idea? We shall see!. But either way, it's not *more* game breaking than before (though Stirk will see that this revision actually allows one Maid that had hitherto been unsummonable to be summoned this way, albeit with debt likely).

Biodiversity. Cost zero. Effect: Play two cards.

Clearly this is overpowered. I know! I'll make it cost a whole star! No, that is going to far. I'll have to add a new ability to make up for the difference.

Unlimited Maid Works. Cost eight. Effect: Play three cards

Clearly this is overpowered. I know! I'll make it so that you automatically lose if you try to play any good cards. Perfect.

Maids are clearly the most persecuted of cards V_V. I guess since the Card War cards are coming in I'll just use Isekai, which is like UMW except it also doubles your stats.

[Elephant Parade]

I agree that Biodiversity should probably be upcosted a bit. I haven't seen Fog of War, but if it lets you play two cards for 1*, that's really a problem with Fog of War.

That said, UMW doesn't make you lose; it just prevents you from winning. Once your opponent's at or below 0 Hearts, you just need to hold out long enough to pay off the star debt—which likely won't be hard if you just slapped down three Maids of your choice