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[Maximum Spin]

Your secret to telling if I’m scum or not is judging the effort I put in to the game?

Okay, I guess it still works.

[Mamobo]

Vote Count
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TricMagic - 3 - Roden*, Jim Groovester*, BluarianKnight*,
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku*,
Oliverz144 - 1 - EuchreJack*,
Roden - 1 - TricMagic*,
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
No One - 0 -

Not Voting - 3 - Knightwing64, Maximum Spin, Oliverz144,

5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (22 hours and 4 minutes remaining.)

[Jim Groovester]

You know all this mafia bullshit is nice and fun and all that, but I benched 235 lbs. for the first time today.

Thanks for reading.

More later tonight.

[Oliverz144]

The three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.

Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?

Because we dont like our boss. We are exploited!
Also there were 3, and there are 2 mafia.... so if anything, the other 2s are the mafia. Now im reading up quiet-if one of you is online for some real time interaction, hmu

[Oliverz144]

Let's take a moment to talk about activity. But first, let's see what I've said about activity in previous Beginner's Mafias.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Participation and activity is a very important trait for town. Scum, and especially new scum, have trouble looking like they effectively scumhunt so they very frequently don't. This cuts their participation, and observant town then note that they're not really scumhunting or actively participating.

Now I shall tell you my lesson about activity.

You need to be active because you need to be able to show yourself as town. A good town will be as active as possible because he knows that the more he gets out there the more he can be seen and the more other people can see him and read him, and most importantly for everybody, get read as town. A member of the town should be as transparent and open as possible, i.e., he should be available to answer questions quickly and honestly so that when it comes time for everybody to choose their votes, he won't get chosen.

It's every town's responsibility to avoid looking scummy so that they don't waste time getting mislynched.

I hope everyone sees the importance of activity. If you don't participate, games are going to die, and that sucks for everybody.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

As you can see, I've had quite a few strong words about activity and its importance.

I'd say being active (purposefully active, not senselessly active) is more valuable for a beginner than knowing what to do. I would recommend all players increase their level of activity to make for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.

I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.

I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.

I generally agree that in a Beginner's Mafia letting the beginners actually play is probably more worthwhile than going after them hard, but I also caution you that beginners can still be scum.

I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.

You gotta do more than this, man.

Forming a consensus on who to lynch is an essential part of the day game for the town. Laying your cards on the table, discussing who you want to lynch and who you don't want to lynch is typical, as is some amount of bargaining as well as challenging other players to see whether what they say they want is actually what they do want.

Unfortunately you won't be able to succeed in this game without a certain amount of bloodthirstyness.

But it's not personal, it's just how the game is played.

So unless you're trying to radiate some D1 power play I want a more reasonable answer on why you're trying to kick Euchre like a limping puppy.

EuchreJack's no stranger to abuse so this raises my eyebrow a little.

PPE: the fucker even begs for it geez

What's more concerning to you: is it the amount of aggression, or that it's being directed at EuchreJack?

I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.

I would've agreed with your read about EuchreJack's activity if he hadn't posted four times in a row just now.

Or is the fact I have a Super tagged ability causing people to get on me?

Does every BYOR have to be a repeat of every other BYOR?

Why would any of the attacks directed at you be about your role when you haven't brought it up at all until now?

It being a starting vote is also a decent reason, as there isn't much else to talk about at the moment.

You can get on me all you want, but remember this. I'd have to be in it alone for me to be scum. So either way you look at it, me being lynched doesn't help you there.

Sure I could be scum with someone, but wher'es the evidence?

The rest of this post seems pricklier than necessary.

Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?

Kind of a bizarrely passive tact to take with TricMagic.

Well, I'm feeling better about Roden, and Jim isn't being enough of an asshole, so Jim Groovester
I mean, he hasn't even called me an Idiot yet, and we're been playing for approximately 54 hours!

Was the one post Roden made between when you voted him and your post here really enough to make you feel better about him?



Here's where I'm at so far in the game.

BluarianKnight - always perma scum forever and ever more but actually he's not reading scum to me super hard like normal
EuchreJack - Haven't decided if this is on-brand town EuchreJack yet. I've noted some issues but usually issues like this can be resolved with EuchreJack confidently and rapidly posting completely irrational nonsense.
Knightwing64 - putting in a decent amount of effort. Still not sure about him; I forget which game it was but he was scum in it and I underestimated him. I'm inclined to read Knightwing64 favorably rather than not so far.
Lidku - probably town just because of ignorance about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet but fine
Oliverz144 - ?????????????????????????????
Roden - kind of quiet but fine
TricMagic - TricMagic thinking the attacks on him are about his role is 100% original flavor on-brand TricMagic, but the defensiveness in general is causing me unease. Feels like he's being more defensive than he needs to be given the amount of votes he currently has and the time until deadline.

Great wall dude
Lol

[Jim Groovester]

Let's take a moment to talk about activity. But first, let's see what I've said about activity in previous Beginner's Mafias.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Participation and activity is a very important trait for town. Scum, and especially new scum, have trouble looking like they effectively scumhunt so they very frequently don't. This cuts their participation, and observant town then note that they're not really scumhunting or actively participating.

Now I shall tell you my lesson about activity.

You need to be active because you need to be able to show yourself as town. A good town will be as active as possible because he knows that the more he gets out there the more he can be seen and the more other people can see him and read him, and most importantly for everybody, get read as town. A member of the town should be as transparent and open as possible, i.e., he should be available to answer questions quickly and honestly so that when it comes time for everybody to choose their votes, he won't get chosen.

It's every town's responsibility to avoid looking scummy so that they don't waste time getting mislynched.

I hope everyone sees the importance of activity. If you don't participate, games are going to die, and that sucks for everybody.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

As you can see, I've had quite a few strong words about activity and its importance.

I'd say being active (purposefully active, not senselessly active) is more valuable for a beginner than knowing what to do. I would recommend all players increase their level of activity to make for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.

I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.

I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.

I generally agree that in a Beginner's Mafia letting the beginners actually play is probably more worthwhile than going after them hard, but I also caution you that beginners can still be scum.

I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.

You gotta do more than this, man.

Forming a consensus on who to lynch is an essential part of the day game for the town. Laying your cards on the table, discussing who you want to lynch and who you don't want to lynch is typical, as is some amount of bargaining as well as challenging other players to see whether what they say they want is actually what they do want.

Unfortunately you won't be able to succeed in this game without a certain amount of bloodthirstyness.

But it's not personal, it's just how the game is played.

So unless you're trying to radiate some D1 power play I want a more reasonable answer on why you're trying to kick Euchre like a limping puppy.

EuchreJack's no stranger to abuse so this raises my eyebrow a little.

PPE: the fucker even begs for it geez

What's more concerning to you: is it the amount of aggression, or that it's being directed at EuchreJack?

I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.

I would've agreed with your read about EuchreJack's activity if he hadn't posted four times in a row just now.

Or is the fact I have a Super tagged ability causing people to get on me?

Does every BYOR have to be a repeat of every other BYOR?

Why would any of the attacks directed at you be about your role when you haven't brought it up at all until now?

It being a starting vote is also a decent reason, as there isn't much else to talk about at the moment.

You can get on me all you want, but remember this. I'd have to be in it alone for me to be scum. So either way you look at it, me being lynched doesn't help you there.

Sure I could be scum with someone, but wher'es the evidence?

The rest of this post seems pricklier than necessary.

Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?

Kind of a bizarrely passive tact to take with TricMagic.

Well, I'm feeling better about Roden, and Jim isn't being enough of an asshole, so Jim Groovester
I mean, he hasn't even called me an Idiot yet, and we're been playing for approximately 54 hours!

Was the one post Roden made between when you voted him and your post here really enough to make you feel better about him?



Here's where I'm at so far in the game.

BluarianKnight - always perma scum forever and ever more but actually he's not reading scum to me super hard like normal
EuchreJack - Haven't decided if this is on-brand town EuchreJack yet. I've noted some issues but usually issues like this can be resolved with EuchreJack confidently and rapidly posting completely irrational nonsense.
Knightwing64 - putting in a decent amount of effort. Still not sure about him; I forget which game it was but he was scum in it and I underestimated him. I'm inclined to read Knightwing64 favorably rather than not so far.
Lidku - probably town just because of ignorance about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet but fine
Oliverz144 - ?????????????????????????????
Roden - kind of quiet but fine
TricMagic - TricMagic thinking the attacks on him are about his role is 100% original flavor on-brand TricMagic, but the defensiveness in general is causing me unease. Feels like he's being more defensive than he needs to be given the amount of votes he currently has and the time until deadline.

Great wall dude
Lol

Thanks, asshole.

[Roden]

You know all this mafia bullshit is nice and fun and all that, but I benched 235 lbs. for the first time today.

Thanks for reading.

More later tonight.

I kinda town read this lol

Oliver has uh, certainly made an impression

[Jim Groovester]

Having done a look through a thread again, there's something else that bugs me.

As others stated, I'd really like to see some more activity from Roden.

His only posts so far leave me a little.. unsure?

Spoiler: Explanation of thoughts on Roden (click to show/hide)

This might be a bit of a stretch, but tossing my thoughts out there.

Hmm...TricMagic

I agree with Blu that we shouldn't come to a consensus on the Vig target if one exists. Web usually gives scum abilities that counter mass PR claims and action organizing.

This by itself is fine, but I haven't seen Roden poke Tric.. at all. For the first person on that wagon, all he does is..

Got a reason for that Roden?

Your Jack vote felt safe, like you were aiming for someone who's reaction would be the most predictable. Do you find him suspicious?

Explain himself. Which, alright, but no shots back?

His next post;

Maybe it would be a good idea for the newer players to put some votes down so that we can get an idea of where their heads are at.

This, adding to his last post;

Game state is pretty dead, it feels like a lot of people are too apprehensive to make a serious push somewhere. I'm hoping Oliver shows up soon and makes an impact.

Also I'm not trying to mechanically solve because that just isn't a good idea today. Day 2 claims will likely help us lock down scum since we'll have more information to work with.

Makes me feels like he's avoiding too much towntalk.
I wanna see more activity - complaining about a dead game doesn't fix it. Participating in it does. I don't particularly see a reason why you wouldn't want to add to the discussion.

I kind of feel this.

Roden has also been sitting on the TricMagic vote without further material, refinement, or elaboration and I think that's contributing to the feeling of low engagement I get from him.

ultra instinct TricMagic

I don't think I've ever seen this out of TricMagic before and I'm not sure what to make of it.

I think TricMagic generally gets underestimated so I could see him doing something like this as scum but this doesn't feel like scum TricMagic to me.

Yeah TricMagic is making the boldest statements in the game so far. I don't see him being scum here, especially compared to my cult game where he very tactically avoided drawing attention to himself.

The issue is thus, Jack hasn't actually put himself out there, given reads and hard questions to those he's voting. It's not pressure if you don't ask pointed questions to the one you are voting for, when they don't have any votes on them at the moment. And as Jim noticed, no nonsense, just mechanical advice. Helpful to newbies, but uh... That doesn't help us to give a read on you more directly, hence why I had to use a post with mechanical advice in the first place for this argument, it's the only possible slipup you've made, whether you are town or scum. Which is itself odd.

I'm finding your argument against EuchreJack difficult to track. I'll reread the thread tomorrow but if you could help me out in seeing your point that would help.

That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.

What about these two make you think they're teamed up with EuchreJack?

@Blue: Responding as best as I can to this post (because the formatting seems hard to just respond by quoting), isn't is possible that Tric is frustrated because he got an ability with some horrible downside, or that Tric might be a Night 1 vigilante and frantically trying to figure out who to shoot?

Fucking what

I really want to know how you came around to thinking this was even a possibility but I'm used to seeing complete nonsense coming from you and trying to get a satisfactory explanation out of you has been so difficult in the past that whenever I see you post nonsense I just let it go and chalk it up to normal EuchreJack nonsense because it's not worth it to pick at you every time you don't make sense since I'd be spending the entire game asking you questions about pretty much every single post you make.

But gosh does this sure feel like on-brand EuchreJack flavor.

While I agree that Cop and Doc, if they exist, should shut the fuck up, perhaps there are roles are ok to discuss?
Off the top of my head, I'll add Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, and Bulletproof to that list of DO NOT DISCUSS.

Tric's already hinted at Inventor, and the word Vigilante has been batted around. Who do you think should get the Inventor's stuff, if one exists? Who should the Vigilante shoot, if one exists?

Honestly I don't think discussing roles during Day 1 is really all that big of a deal. Scum have to claim and/or fakeclaim on Day 1 and have to live with what they claim, and then the scumteam has to navigate the night game knowing what all the claimed town roles are and also the anxiety about whether there's some secret trump card the town hasn't claimed that's going to screw them over.

If the setup were less role heavy I'd agree.

BluarianKnight: Seems townie, but too good at playing scum.  Plus, it has been a while since I've been in a game with Blue, so I'm a bit rusty at reading them.

too good at playing scum.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry BK I shouldn't laugh


Here's where I'm at:

BluarianKnight - lean slightly town
EuchreJack - lean town due to on-brand EuchreJack nonsense
Knightwing64 - lean town due to effort
Lidku - town from previous read about being completely lost about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet; hasn't voted anybody yet
Oliverz144 - a complete mystery and not making it easy to figure him out
Roden - less quiet than Maximum Spin but has been sitting on the TricMagic vote
TricMagic - town due to making the strongest statements regarding players in the game so far.

By how I've enumerated my reads my vote should go somewhere between Maximum Spin, Roden, and Oliverz144, but Roden squatting on the TricMagic vote is giving me the most misgivings so he gets the vote here.

Roden, how are your reads shaping up going into the final stretch of Day 1? Is TricMagic the player you want to lynch today?

[Oliverz144]

Uh, Tric, you know you have several votes on you, right?
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum.  So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor.  That means free stuff!

Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role.  NONE.  Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.

It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.

You're assuming I care about the votes on me Jack.

That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.

Why are you sure in this? I didnt find any s/s interaction. Clear me up!

[Maximum Spin]

Oliverz144

Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.

[Oliverz144]

I am ttown
I hoep this is balanced
See you tmrw

Vote Oliverz144

Because you need to post more than that.

I mean, hey maybe you could do a reads list!
Or ask someone something!
Or make a second post during this day phase!

Im here now. Yesterday i went to sleep... almodt would have forgotten this game.

[Oliverz144]

Let's take a moment to talk about activity. But first, let's see what I've said about activity in previous Beginner's Mafias.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Participation and activity is a very important trait for town. Scum, and especially new scum, have trouble looking like they effectively scumhunt so they very frequently don't. This cuts their participation, and observant town then note that they're not really scumhunting or actively participating.

Now I shall tell you my lesson about activity.

You need to be active because you need to be able to show yourself as town. A good town will be as active as possible because he knows that the more he gets out there the more he can be seen and the more other people can see him and read him, and most importantly for everybody, get read as town. A member of the town should be as transparent and open as possible, i.e., he should be available to answer questions quickly and honestly so that when it comes time for everybody to choose their votes, he won't get chosen.

It's every town's responsibility to avoid looking scummy so that they don't waste time getting mislynched.

I hope everyone sees the importance of activity. If you don't participate, games are going to die, and that sucks for everybody.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

Additionally, before anybody else does anything, I will stress the importance of activity. You should be as active as possible. A good guideline is to get one good post in a day, but if you can post productively more often than that it's generally a good idea to do so. As a player, town or scum, being active and visible is very much an asset, as you're out there making yourself readable, and this is considered a town quality. While there are very good personal benefits to being active, the reverse is detrimental to the whole game. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them. This is fun for absolutely no one, so make a good effort and be active.

As you can see, I've had quite a few strong words about activity and its importance.

I'd say being active (purposefully active, not senselessly active) is more valuable for a beginner than knowing what to do. I would recommend all players increase their level of activity to make for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.

I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.

I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.

I generally agree that in a Beginner's Mafia letting the beginners actually play is probably more worthwhile than going after them hard, but I also caution you that beginners can still be scum.

I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.

You gotta do more than this, man.

Forming a consensus on who to lynch is an essential part of the day game for the town. Laying your cards on the table, discussing who you want to lynch and who you don't want to lynch is typical, as is some amount of bargaining as well as challenging other players to see whether what they say they want is actually what they do want.

Unfortunately you won't be able to succeed in this game without a certain amount of bloodthirstyness.

But it's not personal, it's just how the game is played.

So unless you're trying to radiate some D1 power play I want a more reasonable answer on why you're trying to kick Euchre like a limping puppy.

EuchreJack's no stranger to abuse so this raises my eyebrow a little.

PPE: the fucker even begs for it geez

What's more concerning to you: is it the amount of aggression, or that it's being directed at EuchreJack?

I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.

I would've agreed with your read about EuchreJack's activity if he hadn't posted four times in a row just now.

Or is the fact I have a Super tagged ability causing people to get on me?

Does every BYOR have to be a repeat of every other BYOR?

Why would any of the attacks directed at you be about your role when you haven't brought it up at all until now?

It being a starting vote is also a decent reason, as there isn't much else to talk about at the moment.

You can get on me all you want, but remember this. I'd have to be in it alone for me to be scum. So either way you look at it, me being lynched doesn't help you there.

Sure I could be scum with someone, but wher'es the evidence?

The rest of this post seems pricklier than necessary.

Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?

Kind of a bizarrely passive tact to take with TricMagic.

Well, I'm feeling better about Roden, and Jim isn't being enough of an asshole, so Jim Groovester
I mean, he hasn't even called me an Idiot yet, and we're been playing for approximately 54 hours!

Was the one post Roden made between when you voted him and your post here really enough to make you feel better about him?



Here's where I'm at so far in the game.

BluarianKnight - always perma scum forever and ever more but actually he's not reading scum to me super hard like normal
EuchreJack - Haven't decided if this is on-brand town EuchreJack yet. I've noted some issues but usually issues like this can be resolved with EuchreJack confidently and rapidly posting completely irrational nonsense.
Knightwing64 - putting in a decent amount of effort. Still not sure about him; I forget which game it was but he was scum in it and I underestimated him. I'm inclined to read Knightwing64 favorably rather than not so far.
Lidku - probably town just because of ignorance about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet but fine
Oliverz144 - ?????????????????????????????
Roden - kind of quiet but fine
TricMagic - TricMagic thinking the attacks on him are about his role is 100% original flavor on-brand TricMagic, but the defensiveness in general is causing me unease. Feels like he's being more defensive than he needs to be given the amount of votes he currently has and the time until deadline.

Great wall dude
Lol

Thanks, asshole.

Yoo why so rude?
Someone earlier said that being aggressive is your town meta. I once had it that way too, but i got some grip and now im  no longer.
Please, dont put ate (appeal to emotions) into the game. Thank you!

[Oliverz144]

Oliverz144

Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.

You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy:  grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name

[BluarianKnight]

Oliverz144

Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.

You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy:  grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name

Right. The fact you aren't even putting in the effort either makes me think you're a Jester.. or you genuinely don't care.

Your first post had grammar in it. I've not seen anything that looked like it took more than 30 seconds from you since. Put some effort in the game at least.

If I don't see an improvement I still think Web should replace, even if it's a b. mafia. If he's town, he's going to force a lynch. If he's mafia, whoever he's playing with is probably pissed. If he's a jester.. I still think it's bad play to be an asshole and not put effort in the game.

[Knightwing64]

Oliverz144

Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.

That is actually kinda offensive. There’s no way I act like that dude as scum