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[MaxTheFox]

Arbitrary thresholds are alright. Not everything in government needs to be objective.

[Loud Whispers]

Is this unfair? When does it become a problem?

When you reach the level of lemonade money where you own the government and the law ceases to apply to you as a concept

[Scoops Novel]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with cultural or technological advancement and, sorry to break it to you, you are fighting windmills here.

We literally invented the nuke man. It's not without risk.

People need to get off their high horses if i have to say this man.

Without advancement we would be still living in caves. And without nukes we'd have had World War 3 and 4 by now. Put down the weed.

Beside the point that we need to consider the direction of our technology. Or more realistically, figure out how to migitate the downsides.

[MaxTheFox]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with cultural or technological advancement and, sorry to break it to you, you are fighting windmills here.

We literally invented the nuke man. It's not without risk.

People need to get off their high horses if i have to say this man.

Without advancement we would be still living in caves. And without nukes we'd have had World War 3 and 4 by now. Put down the weed.

Beside the point that we need to consider the direction of our technology. Or more realistically, figure out how to migitate the downsides.

Fair enough.

[Scoops Novel]

The turth is the world needs to start focusing on curing it's sicknesses more then on growth.

[McTraveller]

You first have to convince (enough) people that there is a sickness in the first place.  Not everyone agrees with that.  Some people really do believe in YOLO, so why care about the future?  You're just holding me back from enjoying my life, you oppressor, you! /s

[Scoops Novel]

Most people are unwilling to actively give a fuck about the future. Or even picture the future. The point is, worrying about people is largely beside the point. The future isn't being determined by 'people.'

A different point;

If i was the age old species hivemind and was faced with a uncertain future and a soft humanity, i would want to squeeze all the struggle i could out of them to strengthen them for whats to come.
And yet... not a whole lot of avenues for that these days. A lot of the struggle we do have isn't the kind that makes you strong, it's self-defeating struggles that make you weak. It's a problem thats being worked on, but the accumulated strata and the speed of change doesn't leave a lot of wriggle room.

I think we're going into the future heavily flawed. "Best foot forward" is the name of the game.
What's, uh, humanity's best foot.

[EuchreJack]

Most people... don't "get" it.

Whining at home does nothing.
Getting into politics, establishing a business, voting, lobbying, talking with people who actually have the power to DO something, this matters.

Even making personal choices, such as recycling and boycotting manufacturers and retailers with policies you don't agree with, matters.

If you think there is a true problem, start organizing people that agree with you (even slightly).

The problem isn't ultra-rich people. Hell, some of them are probably the solution! They're the ones that have guilted our Governments back into space exploration.
...and if you believe it's nonsense to think our planet is the only one with sentient life, and you acknowledge that our very survival depends on our being the Conqueror rather than the Conquered, then Space Exploration is the ONLY thing that matters.

[McTraveller]

Guess we're "lucky" our gravity well is only 11km/s, eh?

(Gotta be careful with such statements of unfounded certainty!)

[Scoops Novel]

If you're being realistic, you'll admit that you don't get it, and there's plenty i don't get.

We have nearer term problems then Space Exploration. Handling much more basic technology is a challenge.

All these traditional ways you talk about moving people... are traditional. Outdated. Politics is moored to idiots. Lobbying people who agree with you matters if they have influence. You should think carefully about what is likely to be effective for what you're trying to achieve; and if you have your eye on the future, as yet, you're lonely.

The main thing to realise is how unpredictable the future is and that we need to start acting like it. Space exploration is too standard of an idea. It was born in the 50's, and look at everything they didn't see.

The second thing to realize is how likely the title of this thread is. We have every tool we need for an overwhelming future.

[martinuzz]

We have nearer term problems then Space Exploration.

+1

That is not to say I am against space research.
And yes, some of the ultrabillionaires might actually do some good there.

Do compare however:

Bezos. Build a giant space dick to send himself on a tourist trip. Doesn't even take any scientists with him. Extorts everyone that works for him. Would eat their babies too if there weren't laws against it.
                                                                 VS
Musk. Seems dedicated to technological advancement and actual space colonization most of the time. Does not care much for human welfare, but at least does not pay as crappy a wage as Amazon does.

I know who I'd vote out of his monies if we could do that.

[Loud Whispers]

There is a third option - don't let space exploration and colonisation be led by private commercial initiatives. There is something ludicrous about the US government spending more paying private space companies for space missions than they give to NASA

[Scoops Novel]

Are they realistically going to get their act together? No.

It's all about where you direct your efforts.

[MaxTheFox]

Space exploration is better off nationalized TBH. It's too important to be left in the hands of capitalists who only have profit and not welfare on their minds. I think it could solve our resource problems in the long run but first, we need to go green or mostly green to survive that long as a civilized society, and that can best be done under socialism or at least left-social-democracy.

I think there is no such thing as cultural or technological overload BTW. All Luddite propaganda. I may have permanently abandoned technocracy as an ideology but by God, you will not take my focus on science away from me.

[Loud Whispers]

By Ludd I will hit you with my shoe! They are worse than Hegemony - may Ludd forgive me for writing this, they are Tri-Tachyon