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[ToonyMan]

Ok, just to confirm, here is the list of actions from Night 1. Correct me if I screwed up somewhere.

TricMagic- Action
Maximum Spin- Action
Webadict- No Action
Knightwing64- No Action
EuchreJack- No Action
UselessMcMiner- Action
Toonyman- No Action
Vector- Action

So, my ability let's me know how many actions were taken during the night, not counting my own. This is why I only needed to know who acted, not necessarily full role claims. I was informed that four actions were taken last night, which adds up with all of the claimed actions.

...Except I asked the mod if the NK counted towards the total action count, and I was told yes. So there should be five total night actions. One of the four people who have claimed a night action actually used it to perform the NK. And we just happen to have a player who's claimed night action was disproven.

UselessMcMiner, what's up?

Interesting, do you think one mafia is lying and the other is telling the truth then?

I'm not as willing to vote Tric or Useless here because they have confirmable actions that should out them tomorrow if they're lying.

Useless can kill a top suspect.
Tric can confirm somebody's role is the truth while also saying what their totem is (which hopefully isn't known information).

[EuchreJack]

Ok, liking Roden so far, so Unvote

[EuchreJack]

So if we believe Roden, we should vote one of TricMagic, UselessMcMiner, or Vector.

@Web: Why is Vector not scum? You're our Vector expert.

[TricMagic]

If Vector is Mafia, McMiner can't be Town if Toony is Town. If McMiner is Town, Toony can't be town, Vector would claim the redirect. Unless Vector is also mafia, but that leads into the first reasoning.

I meanwhile, am separate from the chain of logic. Which by itself tells you there is no logic to condemn me with, I'd have needed to be acting alone, or be playing a silly-good mafia game. Claiming to target the very person I killed and provide a bit of info I wouldn't have but have had to guess about. Which one could say, but all it would take is one town to send things crumbling down.

[EuchreJack]

@Tric: I think the theory as to your being mafia is that you redirected McMiner's message onto Max while killing Max.

[ToonyMan]

So if we believe Roden, we should vote one of TricMagic, UselessMcMiner, or Vector.

I believe that is correct.

@Tric: I think the theory as to your being mafia is that you redirected McMiner's message onto Max while killing Max.

Oh yeah that's true. Mafia knew Max was probably telling the truth about being a cop, but didn't know whether Max would inspect Tric or Useless so if the team is Tric/Roden they have Tric redirect Useless onto Max and Roden performs the kill. This removes the cop while also setting up Useless to take the fall.

[EuchreJack]

I took an action with no target.

Was it an investigative action?  If yes, I assume you have something to share.  If not, I imagine you'll be keeping what you activated to yourself.

[EuchreJack]

So if we believe Roden, we should vote one of TricMagic, UselessMcMiner, or Vector.

I believe that is correct.

@Tric: I think the theory as to your being mafia is that you redirected McMiner's message onto Max while killing Max.

Oh yeah that's true. Mafia knew Max was probably telling the truth about being a cop, but didn't know whether Max would inspect Tric or Useless so if the team is Tric/Roden they have Tric redirect Useless onto Max and Roden performs the kill. This removes the cop while also setting up Useless to take the fall.

I don't think you can put Tric and Roden on the mafia team, as Roden sorta outed Tric.

[Roden]

Unvote

Thanks Toony. Unfortunately though, I think you're McMiner's partner.

Ok, liking Roden so far, so Unvote

Thank you too Jack. I still think you're town.

Ok, just to confirm, here is the list of actions from Night 1. Correct me if I screwed up somewhere.

TricMagic- Action
Maximum Spin- Action
Webadict- No Action
Knightwing64- No Action
EuchreJack- No Action
UselessMcMiner- Action
Toonyman- No Action
Vector- Action

So, my ability let's me know how many actions were taken during the night, not counting my own. This is why I only needed to know who acted, not necessarily full role claims. I was informed that four actions were taken last night, which adds up with all of the claimed actions.

...Except I asked the mod if the NK counted towards the total action count, and I was told yes. So there should be five total night actions. One of the four people who have claimed a night action actually used it to perform the NK. And we just happen to have a player who's claimed night action was disproven.

UselessMcMiner, what's up?

Interesting, do you think one mafia is lying and the other is telling the truth then?

I'm not as willing to vote Tric or Useless here because they have confirmable actions that should out them tomorrow if they're lying.

Useless can kill a top suspect.
Tric can confirm somebody's role is the truth while also saying what their totem is (which hopefully isn't known information).

I have no idea if one of the scum is telling the truth or not. I only know how many players performed actions, so they could be doing something entirely different than what they're claiming. I asked the mod how the Ninja modifier could potentially affect my ability, but all they could say was that it depended on how powerful the modifier was, which is a vague but interesting answer.

[Roden]

So if we believe Roden, we should vote one of TricMagic, UselessMcMiner, or Vector.

I believe that is correct.

@Tric: I think the theory as to your being mafia is that you redirected McMiner's message onto Max while killing Max.

Oh yeah that's true. Mafia knew Max was probably telling the truth about being a cop, but didn't know whether Max would inspect Tric or Useless so if the team is Tric/Roden they have Tric redirect Useless onto Max and Roden performs the kill. This removes the cop while also setting up Useless to take the fall.

I don't think you can put Tric and Roden on the mafia team, as Roden sorta outed Tric.

I outed Tric? In what way?

[EuchreJack]

So if we believe Roden, we should vote one of TricMagic, UselessMcMiner, or Vector.

I believe that is correct.

@Tric: I think the theory as to your being mafia is that you redirected McMiner's message onto Max while killing Max.

Oh yeah that's true. Mafia knew Max was probably telling the truth about being a cop, but didn't know whether Max would inspect Tric or Useless so if the team is Tric/Roden they have Tric redirect Useless onto Max and Roden performs the kill. This removes the cop while also setting up Useless to take the fall.

I don't think you can put Tric and Roden on the mafia team, as Roden sorta outed Tric.

I outed Tric? In what way?

Your list of 4 actives includes Tric, who claimed to learn stuff about Max that he could have learned from reading the front page.  Hence the "sorta", since Vector and UselessMcMiner are also on the list of actives.

[Roden]

Gonna put this in a seperate post for ease of quoting.

McMiner is confirmed scum if you believe I'm telling the truth. If he was Redirected or Roleblocked, I should still have seen at minimum a 5th action. Only a Multitasking Ninja Roleblocker would explain mine and McMiner's results, but I think it's just more likely he's just mafia here.

Furthermore, why block McMiner anyway? IIRC he didn't soft claim or hint at any kind of role that could have scared the mafia team. And how could he be blocked of he was able to message Toony in the first place?

McMiner, could you go into further detail about your role? When exactly do you choose your target? Does the mod relay messages between the two of you? Or do you get a private chat of some kind?

[Roden]

So if we believe Roden, we should vote one of TricMagic, UselessMcMiner, or Vector.

I believe that is correct.

@Tric: I think the theory as to your being mafia is that you redirected McMiner's message onto Max while killing Max.

Oh yeah that's true. Mafia knew Max was probably telling the truth about being a cop, but didn't know whether Max would inspect Tric or Useless so if the team is Tric/Roden they have Tric redirect Useless onto Max and Roden performs the kill. This removes the cop while also setting up Useless to take the fall.

I don't think you can put Tric and Roden on the mafia team, as Roden sorta outed Tric.

I outed Tric? In what way?

Your list of 4 actives includes Tric, who claimed to learn stuff about Max that he could have learned from reading the front page.  Hence the "sorta", since Vector and UselessMcMiner are also on the list of actives.

Ah, technically I didn't ask for a role claim from Tric, I think he just decided to claim on his own since his supposed target was dead.

[Roden]

Roden

Still waiting on that damn claim.

For someone who was so eager for me to claim, it's weird that you've gone silent once I did claim and provide info.

[EuchreJack]

Infinity: People not responding in 2 hours doesn't make them scum, so stfu.

Resolves the Knightwing64 question.

@Roden: Toonyman/UselessMcMiner can't be the mafia team.  UselessMcMiner claimed to send a message to Toonyman as part of his claim and Toonyman denied getting the message.  Without a redirecter/roleblocker, one of them is scum, probably not both.