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[EuchreJack]

Nah I'm dumb actually.

Roden said Tric did nothing last night, which means Roden is lying or some bullshit is going on. That's game.

I still believe that Tric's scumbuddy might be able to link things to Tric (we don't even know if Tric is telling the truth about the ability being both ways), but it looks like I need to bind my vote to yours as much as possible.  Unless someone else wants to vote Met, we'll lynch Roden and if Roden is town we should lynch Met (or Vector, but probably Met) tomorrow.

[EuchreJack]

Vector is 1000 IQ mafia if that's even possible, and Met is probably just town. So it's just Roden. Feel pretty dumb not seeing that D1 but I kept a reminder that they would always be mafia first before Jack.

And also, you weren't the only one scumreading Roden.  NJW2000 has suspected Roden the entire game.

[EuchreJack]

Vector suspected Roden as scum.

[EuchreJack]

Tric was voting Roden before voting himself.  Now personally, I think this was to tie the vote on Met, but it's definitely WIFOM so we know scum is either Roden or Met.

[EuchreJack]

Spoiler: Roden's Ninja Rant (click to show/hide)

Ugh. There's the same problem as before: only I know that one of Tric and Euchre must be scum. Possibly there's a workaround here.


Ok. Scum know this information, so I'll make it public immediately.

I was hit with the lovers effect. I die the day after if Tric is eliminated. Note that it has to be through elimination for me to die. This is why I'd like Toonyman to daykill Tric, while we lynch EuchreJack.


Either Tric is doing the lovers'ing, in which case it looks like the ability is one-target, or EuchreJack is part of a scumteam and has a two-target ability.

In either case, Roden must have falsely reported a night result, unless someone interfered with a tracking action. At this point, I'm pretty sure Roden's scum. (I would actually consider us killing both me and Roden today, but I guess that might be taking a risk that their night result was due to a redirect or similar.)


That's all the information I have. I couldn't use my ability tonight because of the caveats FoU put on it.

I haven't faked any of my actions or results. I don't know what else to say, I've only told the truth and if you're town you'll just have to eat crow in the post game.

Do you want to know why I asked you to target Tric? For one, it's bcause it's becoming more and more clear you're just tunneled on me, and I hoped hard proof would force you to actually scum hunt. But the second reason is that Tric's plays have been wild and unpredictable, and by forcing scum into a corner through mechanical clears we might actually make some headway. Because even if Tric is scum, we could mechanically prove whether or not Tric is doing Lovers shenanigans or if his partner was the one doing it.

What I don't understand is why you aren't considering Met and Vector as potential scum, nor why you haven't considered that scum might have a Ninja. With two movement investigation roles, it makes a lot more sense for scum to have a Ninja, especially if they can't directly kill and if Toony's role can neutralize their apparent only kill option.

I know Jack 100% didn't do the first Lovers because he only visited Toony Night 1. We know Tric doesn't have Ninja because you saw him visit Toony Night 1, and he 100% did not target anyone Night 2. Mechanically speaking, this means scum almost definitely has a Ninja. If Jack truly has been Jailing Toony every Night, which is believable due to my Night 1 results, then Toony cannot have ever made anyone Lovers. You NJW are most likely a Watcher, and while you're not conftown by any means I think it would be wild if you were a Multitasking Ninja Watcher.

That means the Ninja has to be either Met or Vector. The final proof of which is that even though you were asked to Watch Tric, scum still confidently targeted him with the Lovers mechanic. There's just too much pointing to this being the truth, and I'd appreciate it if you took a minute stop tunneling me to realize that this is a legitimate logical conclusion.

If you want further proof I'm not scum, I had opportunities for two days in a row to break ties and lynch you at the last minute, but I never did even though I could reasonably get away with it since you've been under suspicion and I'd made a scum case on you by Day 2.

...I will admit Roden's ninja rant is suspicious.  I mean, I could come up with better theories, most likely because I don't have the answer to the puzzle.
But to those in the informed minority...NINJAS

[ToonyMan]

I take credit for nothing. This game shows my brain short circuits into "everybody is town" if no deaths occur.

Roden has to be lying about their N2 results on Tric, do you see that? It's quite incriminating.

Tric isn't some ninja either since NJW saw Tric on N1. So Roden should have seen Tric target NJW.

[TricMagic]

I did say I was being truthful about not doing anything. That Lovers on N2 surprised me as much as anyone. Our time zones just aren't synched up properly.

[EuchreJack]

My issue, as I said before, is that if the scum team (tric and player x) had the ability: "Target player becomes lovers with Tric", then the scumbuddy could have bound NJW to Tric.  Tric is probably lying about the ability going both ways.

But I've got no major problems voting Roden.  If nothing else, it saves us from having this conversation tomorrow.

I did say I was being truthful about not doing anything. That Lovers on N2 surprised me as much as anyone. Our time zones just aren't synched up properly.

...and then mafia Tric tries to save Roden.  Oooh, more Wine!

[TricMagic]

My issue, as I said before, is that if the scum team (tric and player x) had the ability: "Target player becomes lovers with Tric", then the scumbuddy could have bound NJW to Tric.  Tric is probably lying about the ability going both ways.

But I've got no major problems voting Roden.  If nothing else, it saves us from having this conversation tomorrow.

I did say I was being truthful about not doing anything. That Lovers on N2 surprised me as much as anyone. Our time zones just aren't synched up properly.

...and then mafia Tric tries to save Roden.  Oooh, more Wine!

 
I'll even hammer him for you nd we can move on to the next day.

[EuchreJack]

Actually, both Roden and Met, at this point, should vote themselves.  It would free up town to vote whom they wish instead of having to keep 2 votes on one person, and plays to the wincon of Town.

[EuchreJack]

I did say I was being truthful about not doing anything. That Lovers on N2 surprised me as much as anyone. Our time zones just aren't synched up properly.

Hey Tric, I especially like that last part.  Is that a hint, or even more Wine?
...I'll note that if Vector was the scumbuddy, the excuse would be "and my scumbuddy was busy and mostly unresponsive".  No offense Vector.
From what I can tell, Tric is more-or-less in the same time zone as Roden, but different time zones than Met.  Hm, mmm, enjoying the wine.

[EuchreJack]

Hm, I was thinking again about Tric's claimed ability, and it seemed odd that Tric would chose to Redirect Toonyman's actions onto me, since Toonyman had no claimed action role.  Redirecting either my or Roden's ability would prove our roles, and redirecting me onto Roden (or visa versa) would make sense if we were the suspected scum team.

Yeah it would make more sense wouldn't it? It's another illogical choice from Tric.

I think the main reason a mafia!Tric would have to make up the "I redirected Toony to Jack" claim is that NJW outed the fact that Tric targeted me on N1. NJW and Tric are at odds with each other.



Let's think about how a Tric/Roden mafia team would decide their target on N2:

Toony - they have already lover'd me
Tric - no reason to target self
Roden - no reason to target partner
Vector - immune for at least one cycle
Met - already kind of suspicious, could easily get lynched on D3
NJW - a good target, the least likely to get lynched between Met and Jack
Jack - a decent target, not as suspicious as Met but more likely to get lynched than NJW anyway

Mafia don't want to Lovers someone who is likely to get lynched. NJW was the least likely to be lynched between NJW/Jack/Met. This is why NJW was hit with Lovers last night.

Metruption

I admit it's possible Tric is partners with Met, but Roden seems more likely to me. I will try to elaborate in the future.

Oh duh, it is Roden.  I didn't get Lovers, NJW got Lovers, ergo it has to be Roden.  Met as scum would totally have Lover'd me.

Throughout the entire game, it's been:
NJW2000 suspicious of Roden and Jack
Jack suspicious of Met

So for the end game, Roden would want me around and Met would want NJW2000 around.  Sorry Roden, you're mafia.

[Vector]

So ... can we hammer Roden?

[TricMagic]

I was waiting for Fal to finish us up. But if it's okay I'll go ahead and link the MafiaCOchat.

GG. And I really need an actual Kill if I need to be Mafia, think Fal rebalanced things a bit too far in Town's favor here. Could have been fine if there was an experienced player in mafia, but not for us. (Why is it only execution?)

Note, Roden surrendered too.

[webadict]

What is this even