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[EuchreJack]

@Roden: It's ok. 

@FOU: Thanks, I needed to hear that.  I think its pretty townie.  And that is scummy?  Eh, not sure I like this game.
Oh well.  Have to remember that we've got 2 out of 5 trying to lead the other 3 to a loss. And those 3 don't necessarily know or trust one another.

[Magma Mater]

Jack, the next time you have an emotional post ready to go, try walking away for five minutes so that you can come back with a clear head. It isn't easy but it works for me.

[ToonyMan]

Bah I'm dead, good luck town.

(btw Tric it's 5/9 players left)

[Magma Mater]

At some point today (game day) I'd like to see prefuzek make a case for whom he thinks is scum. The cases yesterday were fine but a town case is easy for scum to fake (since they know it's true anyway). pref, if you're town, this would really help me to read you.

[TricMagic]

Bah I'm dead, good luck town.

(btw Tric it's 5/9 players left)

This is know as a bah post a dead player can make. No info whatsoever to affect the game. Distinct from the Sheep post.
I'm going to bed now. Night.

[EuchreJack]

At some point today (game day) I'd like to see prefuzek make a case for whom he thinks is scum. The cases yesterday were fine but a town case is easy for scum to fake (since they know it's true anyway). pref, if you're town, this would really help me to read you.

@Pref: This is great idea.  I'd like to town clear you, and I'm still sorry about the mislynch in Roguelike.

[EuchreJack]

If nobody wants to jump on FoU then I'll no vote tonight before I go to bed.

But you didn't Roden, did you?

[EuchreJack]

I'm actually shocked they killed Toony. I really thought I was gonna die.

Words "actually" and "really" added for emphasis.  Who's porn acting now?

[EuchreJack]

4. Chaotic. I typically get scum read because of this, but I partially do this to draw out mafia who want an easy mis elim. But I also do this so people have a harder time reading me for meta tells from past games. Despite this I'm actually kinda sensitive to getting scum read lol, but I only ever seem to get scum read over random comments I make rather than my actions. I want to try to find out why this is.

Interesting, but I feel like chaotic play is a good way to "catch" townies as well. A lot of people don't play to win, and just play to survive or try to get killed at night! In fact, I believe the most common style of play is "it's important to win, but it's even more important to not be blamed for a loss". This applies more or less to any amateur competitive team activity. In mafia, it sometimes manifests itself as an "anybody but me" mentality - that's how I played when I first started, anyway.

I feel like it depends tbh. It doesn't mean much if someone thinks I'm mafia, but if someone uses anti-town methods to try to get me or slips something they shouldn't have said, then I'm a lot more confident I've caught mafia. Not really something I'm going to try here though since I've already stated this playstyle.

I mostly agree. I think the Bulletproof townie should step forward though if they exist.

I don't agree with this, for a few reasons:
It tells the wolves which power roles exist. Information is power, and knowing which roles exist would help them with their targets immensely. For example, if they know there is no doctor or jailkeeper, they can freely target someone who might otherwise be considered a likely protection magnet. This is even worse if we have a tracker who is forced to claim... without the possibility of a doctor, the wolves can happily eat the tracker, whereas otherwise it'd be a bit risky!
Even worse, if we all agree that a bulletproof should claim, but there is no claim, AND the wolves have a roleblocker, well suddenly the wolves know the exact setup and we haven't gained anything.
Also, the argument that the bulletproof would require two nights to kill is not totally valid. It does require two nights to kill, yes, but if there are an even number of players at night and the other power role is dead, then what do the wolves lose by trying to kill the bulletproof? It would bring us to even numbers the next day, which is not really advantageous for us.

I will add a corollary: if there is a roleblocker and we manage to kill it day one, we should all claim on day two to get two or three confirmed town, and ride that to an easy win.

I think mafia would be more worried about a BP not existing, tbh. If a BP doesn't exist and we have an outed Tracker like in your hypothetical situation, then that means we have a Doctor and no Roleblocker. Doctor then protects the Tracker in secret and we're pretty much set to win. It's not quite follow the cop, but it's a safer alternative since Doctor + Cop does have a Roleblocker.

@Roden: What were you doing with the whole bulletproof conversation anyways?

Sorry I don't have the energy to post much for environmental reasons. Anyway, reads! Mix of gut and a few actual reasons.

BluarianKnight - town lean

EuchreJack - not getting the strong town vibes I usually do. In the past Jack's looked like they have no idea who's who and flail around because of it. They're still posting a lot but I think they have more information this time so it's less erratic. Scum, going to leave my vote for now

Magma Mater - strong town

webadict - up for replacement D1 so doesn't really matter. I disagree with some of their reads though

hedgerow - my gut said their first couple (very short) posts were scummy. This post would be super audacious for a new scum though so I don't know what to think. I'm guessing they'll be a lynch target today, good to keep an eye on.

Roden - probably town for suggesting BP step forward first

Rolan7 - null

ToonyMan - not playing normally (because of vet status?). Scum lean

Overall guess: 1 scum between EuchreJack/hedgerow and 1 scum between Toonyman/webadict/BluarianKnight.


Magma Mater

hedgerow, how do you know what the hackers are going to do? Isn't it a little early for a policy lynch, especially in a beginner game?

a) Why are you assuming that Euchre is a policy lynch for hedgerow? As he's already said in-thread (and I even bothered to verify!), he tends to get killed by wolves early. I don't think it qualifies as a good policy to eliminate a player who is easily read without even attempting to do so.
b) What is your own reason for voting for Euchre? Judging from Euchre's later posts, I'm not sure whether the "looking town instead of hunting" comment is a joke.

Just the wording - "We should eliminate anyone who..." sounds like a policy lynch to me. I agree that it's a bad policy, which is why hedgerow is suspicious. My vote on Euchre was because he said his priority was to look town and not find mafia. Reading his posts it seems like he's been following through with that priority which is scummy. See my read above.

Rolan7, please vote someone.

[EuchreJack]

I honestly don't want to make this about me, but look at the similarity between the Pref vote on me, then Roden repeating the argument, then Roden voting me.
Sheeping, or?

I might not be super active the next couple of days but I'll try.

Magma Mater

1. How much mafia experience would you say that you have?
2. Do you consider yourself good at the game?
3. What's your preference, town or wolf?
4. How would you describe your playstyle?

I played a bunch of games here many years ago, but I don't think I was very good back then. I've played a few games here lately and I think I'm better now but I still feel pretty inexperienced with forum mafia (I've played tons of hidden-role games in person). I'm happy when I'm a wolf because it's rarer. I'm a pretty calm and methodical player and don't do anything too unexpected usually.

What have you learned from the answers you have so far? Are you suspicious of anyone yet?

ToonyMan

No votes yet...I'm going to vote Prefuzek for some pressure. Who are you going to keep an eye on in this game?

I always like to keep a pretty steady eye on the experienced players. Also, for now, EuchreJack. The brand new players shouldn't be too hard to read. What do you think of all this setup discussion on D1?

EuchreJack, why are you focused on looking town and not on finding mafia?

hedgerow, how do you know what the hackers are going to do? Isn't it a little early for a policy lynch, especially in a beginner game?

If a BP doesn't exist and we have an outed Tracker like in your hypothetical situation, then that means we have a Doctor and no Roleblocker. Doctor then protects the Tracker in secret and we're pretty much set to win. It's not quite follow the cop, but it's a safer alternative since Doctor + Cop does have a Roleblocker.

I like this idea a lot. It's a bit game-y, but hey the wiki acknowledges it's not a perfect strategy either.

I'm not a one-shot Bulletproof Townie.

I saw that strat too but I don't want to rely on it unless it falls in our lap. It just feels a little lame, which is why I originally only brought up BP.

I think mafia would be more worried about a BP not existing, tbh. If a BP doesn't exist and we have an outed Tracker like in your hypothetical situation, then that means we have a Doctor and no Roleblocker. Doctor then protects the Tracker in secret and we're pretty much set to win. It's not quite follow the cop, but it's a safer alternative since Doctor + Cop does have a Roleblocker.

That's the point I'm making. It's kind of like the concept of a Fleet-in-being... in simple terms, ensuring that your opponent doesn't know where your power lies gives you a massive strategic advantage because they have to act as if the worst-case-scenario is true. In our hypothetical scenario where a tracker has claimed, it makes no difference whether the wolves know that there is a doctor or not. They are forced to act as if the doctor is protecting the tracker.

I don't really see the problem here tbh. But I don't think we gain anything out of arguing about it so I'll concede.

Side note but I agree that it looks like Jack seems more concerned with looking town than with hunting mafia. I also don't see the point in scum reading a player just because they roll the alignment often. RNG isn't alignment indicative.

TOWN

Magma Mater- Very proactive, asks a lot of questions but they are good questions. By all accounts, they appear to be very pro-town. However, I could see a mafia play here where they try to have a very strong town start and coach their partner to answer questions as innocuously as possible. Specifically, the beginning RQS questions, since absolutely no one got tripped up by them. This isn't likely to be fair, but it's a possibility that I want to keep in mind as the game progresses. Overall though a strong town read.

ToonyMan- Has been doing what he can to be helpful and apply pressure on questionable posts. I understand he can be duplicitous but I think his ISO check on me indicates a town mind set.

BluarianKnight- This is a very light town lean since they don't have a lot of content yet. But what they do have so far is fine, since I haven't seen anything particularly scummy come from them yet.

NULL

Rolan7- Not enough posts to discern anything yet.

Prefuzek- Nothing feels town or mafia weighted atm. Feels like they're playing defensively/reactionary though. I had to reread their ISO since I couldn't remember their posts off hand. Not sure of they're intentionally trying to not stick out or not.

Webadict/FallacyofUrist- Just going off of my interaction with Web, I was leaning scum, but FOU reads a little better. I want to give them some time to play before I commit to a read.

SCUM LEAN

EuchreJack- He claims he's scum hunting, but I'm not really seeing it. His posts feel more like he just wants to show how town he is, but I also get a hint of being combative that doesn't seem like would come from town.

Hedgerow- Man their ISO is just weird. I don't see why they would stick out on purpose if they're mafia, but nonetheless I'm still not getting town vibes.

I don't think I can say I'm hard scum reading anyone yet. But as of now I think there's one mafia between Jack and Hedge. I don't think they're buddies though, and I think putting them on concurrent wagons will be more revealing than just poking inactive players with votes.

Vote: EuchreJack

[Roden]

If nobody wants to jump on FoU then I'll no vote tonight before I go to bed.

But you didn't Roden, did you?

I did.

I'm actually shocked they killed Toony. I really thought I was gonna die.

Words "actually" and "really" added for emphasis.  Who's porn acting now?

Explain how this is acting.

[Roden]

I honestly don't want to make this about me, but look at the similarity between the Pref vote on me, then Roden repeating the argument, then Roden voting me.
Sheeping, or?

It's because you keep making scummy posts my dude.

[EuchreJack]

If nobody wants to jump on FoU then I'll no vote tonight before I go to bed.

But you didn't Roden, did you?

I did.

No Lynch

Jack if you're actually town then you're throwing so damn hard. I'm certain you're scum at this point. This is 100% a scum scramble.

My apologies, it may be the time zone difference.  It just looked to me like it was a different day.

I honestly don't want to make this about me, but look at the similarity between the Pref vote on me, then Roden repeating the argument, then Roden voting me.
Sheeping, or?

It's because you keep making scummy posts my dude.

But I was referring to early D1.  Before the majority of the "scummy posts".

I'm actually shocked they killed Toony. I really thought I was gonna die.

Words "actually" and "really" added for emphasis.  Who's porn acting now?

Explain how this is acting.

Words "actually" and "really" are added for effect.  Read the sentence without them:
"I'm shocked they killed Toony. I thought I was gonna die"
It's to the point and more effective.  The adjectives are added in an attempt to make it seem more believable, but actually make it less believable.

[EuchreJack]

You guys wanna just vote Jack and hope for the best?

Who's making the scum posts D3?
I'm not alone this time.

[Roden]

If nobody wants to jump on FoU then I'll no vote tonight before I go to bed.

But you didn't Roden, did you?

I did.

No Lynch

Jack if you're actually town then you're throwing so damn hard. I'm certain you're scum at this point. This is 100% a scum scramble.

My apologies, it may be the time zone difference.  It just looked to me like it was a different day.

I honestly don't want to make this about me, but look at the similarity between the Pref vote on me, then Roden repeating the argument, then Roden voting me.
Sheeping, or?

It's because you keep making scummy posts my dude.

But I was referring to early D1.  Before the majority of the "scummy posts".

I'm actually shocked they killed Toony. I really thought I was gonna die.

Words "actually" and "really" added for emphasis.  Who's porn acting now?

Explain how this is acting.

Words "actually" and "really" are added for effect.  Read the sentence without them:
"I'm shocked they killed Toony. I thought I was gonna die"
It's to the point and more effective.  The adjectives are added in an attempt to make it seem more believable, but actually make it less believable.

You mean the vote where I backed off of you and said you were likely town afterward?

Actually/really and words with emphasis aren't acting or a scum tell lol. You can't just piggyback an argument I've used without understanding how it works.

You guys wanna just vote Jack and hope for the best?

Who's making the scum posts D3?
I'm not alone this time.

Dude it's because you're exhausting and you literally refuse to just calm down. You're not even necessarily playing badly, you're just wearing me down. I'd rather vote FoU over you but you keep trying to give me reasons to vote you instead.