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[TricMagic]

The sprint hat redirects someone targeting someone to me. Put simply, you could think of it as a patch, though not really given this is the first time I've actually used my abilities.

I can use three hats per phase for free. Can't be the same. Then I have my action and can reuse a hat. Then with an extra action, can reuse another hat. Hat Tricks. Why you asking and misdirecting?

Either way, my claim of docter-esk is not wrong when I have this much protection. Had I the Brewers Hat I would have went for the Compass Badge.

Role Claims people, don't hold back or misdirect. That includes you Leafsnail.

[FallacyofUrist]

With the constructive criticism out of the way, I'll ask you a couple of questions. The first question is whether you used a fast hatter badge. I used mine on my night kill action, because I was afraid scum was going to stop me from pulling it off. Unlike you, they know that I'm not lying when I claim to be one of the most dangerous town roles in the game. The only way you could have stopped me was with a fast hatter badge of your own.

Second question. Based on what you know about your ability, would your redirect have moved my second action to NQT as well? It's not very useful when targeted at a corpse.

Third question for Everyone this time. How likely was it that we no-bonked every mafia member last night? Actually, who had no-bonk badges prior to the 4maskwolf lightning strike?

What? I didn't use a fast hatter badge. I don't even have one, nor have I bought one. So there's no possible way I redirected your kill? Yet you ended up killing NQT anyways. That is... bizarre. Unless you were targeting NQT to begin with?

And for your second question... I think it depends on how wuba interprets how redirect abilities function. So I'm not sure, but feel free to ask him about it.

Third question will take a bit more time to answer, but we should absolutely compile a list of everyone we've no-bonked so far.

[heydude6]

Fallacy of Urist

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Question: If I was scum who was gunning for NQT this whole time, why would I ask if somebody redirected me towards him? I would already know that I wasn't redirected because my shot hit exactly where I targeted.

Hypothetical Answer: Because you were expecting nobody to claim, and then blame the redirect on a silent scum faction

My response: But somebody did claim, doesn't that support my town narrative?

Counterpoint: If someone redirects you towards the target you were aiming at to begin with, then you can still be scum.

Another response: That's a pretty lucky and unlikely circumstance for !scumme.

Get owned: What if Fallacy lied about performing any redirect and tried to bait !scumyou to see if you would grab the easy excuse? He did this in day 1

Not yet: The bait would have been equally effective on a !townme who genuinely was redirected by someone else. Therefore it's not good bait.

Explain this then: And what about the fast hatter badge?

Gladly: I used the fast hatter badge because I wanted to avoid these exact kinds of shenanigans. !Townme is very vulnerable because scum know how dangerous I am to them. I guess you can say !scumme may also be afraid of being blocked by town, but town are less likely to strike against me because they don't know for sure that I'm scum. Thus, the risk is considerably less. Not worth using such a valuable item in my opinion.

Ha! I activate my trap card: What if !scumyou is lying about using a fast hatter badge?

Counterspell: If I know that I didn't use a fast-hatter badge, then falsely claiming to have done so risks discrediting this defence that I tried so hard to build. As a matter of fact, even though I'm town, the fact that Fallacy didn't use the badge has already invited scrutiny that !scumme would have rather avoided. You gotta make a case for how that would benefit !scumme.

Yes, I am: Well, you explained how claiming to use it makes you look town. Also, it gives you information on whether fallacy has a badge

Final words: Your first point is WIFOM. Secondly, that kind of information isn't that valuable, not for this risk. From what I understand, your !scumheydude narrative is that I tried to deflect the fact I deliberately killed NQT by claiming it was a redirect, when Fallacy threw a wrench in that plan by actually claiming to have done it, in one of my many moments of opportunistic "genius" (see contract shenanigans to see how well that worked out for me) I decided to lie about the badge to pull another gambit.

Not yet: But the contract shenanigans did work out well for you. So many people thought you were town! You are literally one of the best scum players that has ever graced bay12!

One last dose of reality: Fallacy didn't think I was town. And look at the one game where I actually played mafia. My behavior over there was nothing like this. In real life, I'm a good-natured person, which is why I can put in an earnest effort in this game and look like town. This good-nature unfortunately makes deception very difficult for me.

Finally, if I were scum I wouldn't be the person doing the night-kill. One of my buddies would have done it instead and avoided this whole situation in the first place. Like you pointed out, I leave a very obvious calling card and thus every death can always be traced back to me. If all of my buddies were no-bonked, only then I would have to do the scumkill and pull this gambit. To rule out such a situation, we can look at the people who were no-bonked and try to evaluate their scumminess. If they are sufficiently scummy though, then they should be lynched before me since there's stronger evidence against them.

Either Webadict screwed something up, or someone else was involved in the redirect. We should try to find them. Or your redirect may have just been priority zero. Or Nirur Torir has a passive redirection auto.

Anyway, ask webadict this question and tell me what he says. I can't ask him this myself because I don't have access to your ability description.

"If I use this ability on someone who is able to perform two different actions, on two different targets, in the same phase; will both actions be redirected to the same alternate target of my choosing?

[heydude6]

The sprint hat redirects someone targeting someone to me. Put simply, you could think of it as a patch, though not really given this is the first time I've actually used my abilities.

I can use three hats per phase for free. Can't be the same. Then I have my action and can reuse a hat. Then with an extra action, can reuse another hat. Hat Tricks. Why you asking and misdirecting?

I just went back and looked at the description you posted of the ice hat. I was under the impression that the hat could only be used on yourself like in the game. I was wrong, you could use it on others.

[Vector]

Power outage.

Last night, put on hat and self-actioned to get two abilities. I did not actually get those abilities (don’t even know what they are). I was also invited to a pizza party.

[Vector]

^power outage isn’t a mafia thing, I literally don’t have electricity at home rn. Oops.

[webadict]

I wish I could blame my last update on being drunk, but I can't. Here ya go, guys!

The Badge Seller has added a new Badge: Projectile Badge.

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Not Voting - 6 - Nirur Torir, Leafsnail, Luckyowl, NJW2000, FallacyofUrist, heydude6,

5 to Hammer. Day ends on January 06, 2021 at 19:00 CST (~51 hours remaining).

(1-Shot, Modifier) Projectile Badge: Whenever you use an action, you may use an additional action.

[FallacyofUrist]

Just over two days until Day 3 ends, nyaa.

Ears twitch in nyervousnyess...

Well nyow I wish I waited on mew action, being able to use it twice would've been nyice...

[webadict]

Just over two days until Day 3 ends, nyaa.

Ears twitch in nyervousnyess...

Well nyow I wish I waited on mew action, being able to use it twice would've been nyice...

I will allow modifications to actions if you want to buy that Badge. That was my mistake, which I've made far too many of this game.

[FallacyofUrist]

Oh? Okay! Thanks, Webley-san! Nyaaaa...

I buy a Projectile Badge for mewself and eat it (shove it in my mouth and swallow it whole nyaaaa~)

[webadict]

Oh? Okay! Thanks, Webley-san! Nyaaaa...

I buy a Projectile Badge for mewself and eat it (shove it in my mouth and swallow it whole nyaaaa~)

... You, uh, eat the Badge. It tastes like burnt toast.

[Nirur Torir]

First off, apologies NJW, that attempt was insultingly weak.

And why, pray, did you need to know Juicebox's role so badly?

To try to figure out if someone laying low had a pro-town power role or had scummy looking powers.

I did notice an interesting trend in the actions.
Heydude6 tried to kill me.
FoU redirected Heydude6 and myself to NQT.
Tric protected a few people, including me, because I give off such strong town vibes.

A strong town player with a powerful role dies, everybody involved gets plausible deniability for watchers and role claiming, and I'm alive for an easy lynch on lylo/mylo.
I'd still really like to know how I ended up with Vector's roles.

Heydude6: Why was I your best candidate for a kill?
Tric: What have I done that makes you think I'm town?
FoU: Why do you suddenly think I'm scum? You had me as neutral in your D2 read.

[FallacyofUrist]

FoU redirected Heydude6 and myself to NQT.

Except as mentioned, I can't be the reason Heydude hit NQT, as he used a Fast-Hatter Badge (and I didn't).

FoU: Why do you suddenly think I'm scum? You had me as neutral in your D2 read.

To answer this:

I have an abilities trade ability. I made the unfortunate mistake of trying to use it on Juicebox like it was a weird investigate. Yes, I know how that looks. I didn't get anything off the body.
I'll put it to better use tonight, now that I have a better idea in mind of who to give a particular ability to.

Nirur your claim doesn't make sense to me. If you ability swapped it would have triggered before Juice's death. Death happens last in action processing and doesn't typically block actions. Looks like you slipped up.

Not getting anything off Juicebox seems like a lie.

[Nirur Torir]

My action is priority 10. Kills are priority 7, not last. From the first post:

ADDENDUM: If a player is not a viable target at the time they are actioned, the action fails. Players will be notified of this failure. Any limited shots will be refunded if an action is blocked or fails.

Unless someone did something weird with an ability, it failed because he died.

[FallacyofUrist]

Well heck, nyaa. That explains that, then.

Ears droop.