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[KittyTac]

Well, locking the thread is the opposite of starting shit. Honestly that's probably the least drama-tastic outcome. Which is why I'm doing this.

[Random_Dragon]

Yeah no, to be honest saying "I'm gonna tell them to go lock the thread because I don't like that people have been criticizing Erk for being extremely scummy" is mostly just immature at best.

And here I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you saying "I don't want to say anything about Erk" was in the interest of neutrality or not wanting to get involved, but given you've poked on here to argue over people criticizing DDA this just seems like "oh they're talking shit about my favorite game again, I don't care what bullshit the devs did this time, time to complain until it gets shut down" :V

[KittyTac]

It's less that and more me wanting the drama to be cleaned up no matter who is the perpetrator because surprise surprise, I don't like people screaming at each other. I'd be pinging Madd if it was BN-related drama too. Sorry if I worded it poorly, I just woke up and didn't have my coffee yet.

[Random_Dragon]

I mean, I don't see any real drama to clean up over there, except stuff Erk (and to a lesser extent Fris) are stirring up. Which I feel is something that should be noted in particular to Maddremor if you're going to bring it up to him. The most visible, persistent, and downright spammy troublemakers on the thread have been two of the game's devs, and one of them has gone so far as to air out Night's dirty laundry in a public space to make his departure look more like a temper tantrum.

That should tell you all you need to know about the situation here. I mean it only took over a year straight of Serg harassing and trolling people constantly (not solely myself mind you, in fact his activities continued for about 6 months to a year after I was if I recall given a temp ban at the time) before the moderators over there gave him to boot, just as a bonus example.

[KittyTac]

I mean, I don't see any real drama to clean up over there, except stuff Erk (and to a lesser extent Fris) are stirring up. Which I feel is something that should be noted in particular to Maddremor if you're going to bring it up to him. The most visible, persistent, and downright spammy troublemakers on the thread have been two of the game's devs, and one of them has gone so far as to air out Night's dirty laundry in a public space to make his departure look more like a temper tantrum.

That should tell you all you need to know about the situation here. I mean it only took over a year straight of Serg harassing and trolling people constantly (not solely myself mind you) before the moderators over there gave him to boot, just as a bonus example.

Scrolling down, I see plenty of such comments from people other than the devs there... and I honestly don't see how Erk and Fris are being "spammy" there, is responding to relevant comments, especially those misrepresenting them, spamming? I'm pretty sure this is just your bias showing, and that you're finding malice where there is, at worst, poor communication.

I'm done engaging with this and giving this fuel as I know how long arguments with you go. Cheers.

[Random_Dragon]

Only thing I have to add to this is that Erk in particular...I mean do I really need to?

https://www.reddit.com/user/I_am_Erk/comments/

There are (as of this writing) 84 comments on that thread. 15 of those were Erk's, mostly in long back-and-forth threads such as this one. Fris accounts for another 8 of them, for example. 23 of them being those two in particular, and in sustained back-and-forth, makes this very clearly a bigger problem than the one-offs talking shit. Hell, there's about twice as many of so posts from them arguing with people as there are individual people bringing up BN in that thread, something that Maddremor has a noted hardon for cracking down on.

But whatever, I guess. Doesn't matter.

[KittyTac]

👍

[Erk]

Wow. It's really neat how that thread suddenly became active with a bunch of vitriol from people who don't usually post on the CDDA subreddit, right around the time it got posted here. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Thanks, CV. It's very subtle and a really good look for bay12forums. It took me a whole two minutes to figure out what had happened despite not having been to this thread for like two years.

[candlebury]

Randomly checked here on the way to updating my art thread and I must say I'm consistently amused by your efforts of constucting strawmen out of the development team.

[MaxTheFox]

Randomly checked here on the way to updating my art thread and I must say I'm consistently amused by your efforts of constucting strawmen out of the development team.

Welcome to this thread. I mostly tapped out nowadays and let KT and Putnam do the talking because of the constant insistent strawmanning and general BS coming from the same like 2 people. Perhaps I should return.

[Random_Dragon]

Again, posting details about Night's personal life is scummy, end of story.

I like how you ALSO go the route of blame me and insinuate I'm...what, exactly? I mean you could I guess pull the old "claim they're sockpuppeting under an alt account" horseshit that's been pulled before. I've been here commenting on it, I've told people on the BN discord not to go start shit over there. I'm not involved in this.

This is all on you. I've nothing more to say to you.

[MaxTheFox]

Does "he's feeling nervous" really even qualify as details, actually, if no actual cause was shared? I'd consider "sharing personal details" to be like (for example) "his family members were drafted" which would actually be pretty scummy. But I don't consider a broad emotional state to be personal details.

[Random_Dragon]

I would definitely say "he's been acting really so-and-so lately" and commenting on past behavior is definitely dredging up commentary on his potential mental state or well-being that does not belong, yes.

Since people evidently don't read objects in spoilers, or perhaps you need a visual aid, first two examples I found:



Broad emotional state, yes. But being brought up to imply that this decision is the result of mental instability, ergo deflecting blame away from Kevin, is not okay. Whatever is going on in Night's personal life is his business, and having it used to infer that his objections are the result of irrational behavior is definitely scummy.

[MaxTheFox]

I still don't really see what's so personal about this... and I'm not exactly sure that having this reaction over a PR of a feature that there was lots of discourse about not implementing is something a stable person would do.

[EuchreJack]

I think we'd all be a lot better off not speculating as to the mental conditions of others.

For example, you wouldn't know this, but I'm sick as a dog.  My mental faculties are no worse than usual.

We don't know what, if anything, anyone else is going through. So, maybe we don't go down that alleyway.

EDIT: Perhaps I should be more blunt: Let's stop this before we get another locked CDDA thread.