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[Taricus]

Take the Royal Police Contract(11 profit) and build the Second Line: (3) TricMagic, NAV, Taricus

Atlussia Navy Contract
'Valturia' Original @ 32cr : (3) TricMagic, NAV, Taricus

[Kashyyk]

Take the Royal Police Contract(11 profit) and build the Second Line: (4) TricMagic, NAV, Taricus, Kashyyk

Atlussia Navy Contract
'Valturia' Original @ 32cr : (4) TricMagic, NAV, Taricus

[TricMagic]

A question for everyone.

Prykanbul Manufacturing shall allow Behrens to produce their Prykanbul Manufacturing 6x50mm Light Rifle Cartridge from this point onward. This permission cannot be canceled.

*In return Behrens will produce the arms for the Crovem's 3rd Rangers Contract. Behrens shall receive 40 credits from the profit of this contract, and 3 Prestige. Prykanbul Manufacturing will receive 10 credits and 7 Prestige.

* In return Behrens will produce the arms for the 1st Ira Army Contract for 1 turn. Behrens will receive all 40 credits from this contract, while Prykanbul Manufacturing shall receive the Prestige.

Cancellation: -3 Prestige, Ira will not consider you for 1 contract.

This seems a fair price for either contract.

Cancellation: -3 Prestige, Ira will not consider you for 1 contract.

They kinda have to complete this one. The rifle cartridge seems like it rolled well, and we can use it as the base for a rifle design. As well, the 9 credits bring us past 20, meaning a design can be made. However, it will bring their prestige above our own by the end of the turn.

On the other hand, we can just watch them flounder. But they are likely to have enough credits for a second line next turn. They will definitely have enough if we do the first contract. Should we post this to the thread?

[Sensei]

It's now 1913. You have 16 credits to spend. You have one contract active currently, and another assembly line which is inactive. Some of the new contracts could possibly be pursued with a revision of the Valturia pistol, though it would be quite tenuous. You could instead bide your time until you have money for a design. The decision is yours.

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: 1913 Contracts (click to show/hide)

A Forenian Expedition is looking for survival rifles: A group is intent on leaving Forenia to found an independent colony near the arctic. They need rifles (or shotguns) for hunting. Low cost is a priority. Reliability is most important, as they'll have limited access to replacement parts and cleaning supplies. 2 batches @ 32 credits, 4 prestige.

Vostoyan Revolutionaries are looking for a machine gun: Cheap, cheap to maintain, reliable. If possible, they would also be interested in something which is easier to move around than standard machine guns, as they often have to retreat or make hit-and-run attacks. Something like a pistol-caliber machine gun might be acceptable. 2 batches @ 48 credits, 7 prestige.

Crovem's Ministry of Ordnance is looking for a portable automatic weapon: They are interested in creating an experimental unit to use automatic weapons which can be operated by individuals. Since there's probably not a big war coming up or anything, this is an open-ended contract. Autorifles, machine pistols, or anything in between might be acceptable, and they want to figure out what sort of combat roles they can fulfill by experimentation. 1 batch @ up to 70 credits, though they expect to pay less for small caliber weapons compared to larger ones. 8 prestige. Available until 1914.

Procino's 1st Bersaglieri Bicicletta are looking for a lightweight primary weapon: These are a new specialization of infantry, equipped with bicycles. They want to be armed with a weapon which is as light weight as possible, both in terms of the weapon itself and the ammunition carried. Some variety of carbine is most likely. These weapons will be tested in a sort of biathlon trial with the bicycles, and will be rated on shooting ranges scores such as time and accuracy to hit targets at various distances, and on how much they impact mobility. General infantry concerns like reliability are considered as well. 2 batches @ 36 credits, 6 prestige. Available until 1914.

I feel that the Procino Bicycle Company could be served with the Deluxe although it might lose to the FR carbine. An automatic Valturia is a cinch for the Crovern contract, although I imagine doing that in a revision will be difficult. Still, starting from a semiauto pistol is a good step.

[TricMagic]

Timeskip to Bidding Phase: (1) TricMagic

Crovem's Ministry of Ordnance
'Valturia' Mod. 1 @ 28cr: (1) TricMagic

Procino's 1st Bersaglieri Bicicletta
'Valturia' Mod. 1 @ 28cr: (1) TricMagic


Espionage
Collect some 6x50 mm ammo and reverse-engineer them for our own use. Market them as the Behrens model.: TricMagic

Low cost, snipe the competition. Low return too, but we are fighting against recommendation. CMO contract grants 8 Prestige regardless, and is a 1 batch. I'm perfectly willing to offer that one low since that will prevent them from getting the credits and we'll have 25 credits after this turn anyway.

We could also just take both contracts and drop the navy one. We'd have 26 credits and 11 prestige if we won both, and they could be denied them. Why have they caught up anyway, are rifle contracts just that much better than pistols?


Pistols seem to be a negative in this business. Not enough profit and not enough prestige apparently? I say wait and see if we can't snipe a few  of them. Maybe some cooperate espionage too to see about buying the 6x50 mm ammo and reverse-engineering it. File the serial name off and offer it as our own.

[Kashyyk]

We won't win either of those without a revision Tric. One is asking for a fully automatic weapon, which the Valturia is not, and the other is asking for a primary weapon, which the Valturia is not.

[Sensei]

You ride in a Behrens truck taking an extra load of waste to the Valturia Capitol Smelter- a whole load watch frames with holes drilled too deep. Of course, there's not normally a reason for a bunch of engineers to ride this truck, but it escapes the attention of the press and His Majesty's watchful "helpers" who are ever-present at the factory. Behind a tall fence, in a small lot with piles of metal scraps, you meet a man wearing a neat suit, along with a smelter operator's mask which obscures his face. "Simply divert 8 credits worth of bonds to safe deposit box #247 at Bank Valturia, and I'll make sure they're replaced with all the documents you will need to manufacture the Prykanbul 6mm ammo. Here is the key." He bids you all leave before he removes his mask. He doesn't need an answer right away, he says, he just needs to see the money in the box.

[TricMagic]

We won't win either of those without a revision Tric. One is asking for a fully automatic weapon, which the Valturia is not, and the other is asking for a primary weapon, which the Valturia is not.

Main issue is trying to make a weapon which is not suited to winning those contracts in the first place. Procino's 1st Bersaglieri Bicicletta or Crovem's Ministry of Ordnance would need to make 10 credits profit. I'd like to make profit with 6mm ammo apparently available to purchase the plans to.

If we wait, there is no reason not to at least put it out there, just in case. If we choose not to wait, so it is. But we'd want enough profit to make a rifle of some sort next turn, and credit to buy the blueprint for the new ammo type which rolled well enough for a modifier.

[Kashyyk]

We have 9 credits incoming from our other contract, so if we do a revision we'll still have 15 credits. Not that I'm clear why we need at least 10, cos we shouldn't need to retool.

Additionally, could someone explain why we'd want another small-calibre round,  even if it for cheap?

[Taricus]

It's a rifle calibre round, not a pistol one. So it being 'small' is a misnomer.

That being said, without a loan or something, we're kinda buggered on the new contracts however.

[NAV]

I vote for revising the carbine for the Bersaglieri Bicicletta.

Timeskip to Bidding Phase: (1) TricMagic
Don't timeskip: (1) NAV

Revision:
Behrens Semi-Automatic "Valturia Deluxe" Compact Carbine: (1) NAV

Crovem's Ministry of Ordnance
'Valturia' Mod. 1 @ 28cr: (1) TricMagic

Procino's 1st Bersaglieri Bicicletta
'Valturia' Mod. 1 @ 28cr: (1) TricMagic

[TricMagic]

Trying to make a pistol a carbine? Really? Note that failing to do so will have consequences. In that we won't be be to do a design next turn as a result.

Beyond that, pistol ammo and rifle ammo are different.

[NAV]

They want to be armed with a weapon which is as light weight as possible, both in terms of the weapon itself and the ammunition carried. Some variety of carbine is most likely.

Seems like they really want a pistol carbine to me.

[Taricus]

I feel like we could try for a machine pistol with the carbine. I mean, we may as well, everything else on the revision is practically outright simple aside from the extended magazines.