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[Il Palazzo]

It's really not harmless, undercutting jobs that might actually meaningfully support a family just as a start. We should really not fucking incentivize corps to figure out how to wrangle paying their workers fuckall by reason of them being currently incarcerated, and that's just the tip of the iceberg so far as issues with penal labor goes. Either pay the work what it's due or fuck off, and 80 cents per hour isn't the due for goddamn anything anymore.

This is Holland you're talking about. They don't have a profit-driven penal system, so that incentive doesn't exist. Furthermore, it's voluntary, since you can't be forced to work if you haven't been sentenced to labour.
You guys are really trying to find a hole in this.

[delphonso]

Current state of this thread: WTF?

The real virus is this thread.

[mko]

Current state of this thread: WTF?

The real virus is this thread.

Yeah, if someone is interested in discussing prison/labor/slavery - create a new thread and link to it.

[ChairmanPoo]

It's really not harmless, undercutting jobs that might actually meaningfully support a family just as a start. We should really not fucking incentivize corps to figure out how to wrangle paying their workers fuckall by reason of them being currently incarcerated, and that's just the tip of the iceberg so far as issues with penal labor goes. Either pay the work what it's due or fuck off, and 80 cents per hour isn't the due for goddamn anything anymore.

Also not the thread for it, though. I'm sure some prison or another will get their population infected and then probably disproportionately killed, then it'll have a good place in the crow plague thread.

Hello, I'd like to point out that there is a terrible lack of healthcare material right now. Those masks are specially needed, doubly so if somehow they are assembling HEPA masks. But even regular masks would be fine. China has promised shipments and some have actually arrived but the lack of protection equipments is actually critical. More masks will make a huge difference.

If we could get everyone wearing masks we could probably even control this sooner and in a less damaging way than we would otherwise. 

[Frumple]

Hell, sure. Just pay the folks making them more than 80 cents an hour is all I'm saying.

[ChairmanPoo]

The situation is really dire. At this point we should consider trying to get people to volunteer to do them for free at home or in prison, if given the raw materials. Seriously, it's that dire. Most medical teams in Europe are working without protective masks. If you think that's tough because they are risking having coronavirus disease, that's only half the problem: as it happens there *is* such a thing as asymptomatic carriers of coronavirus. Nobody knows how many there are, but it's thought that there are more than people WITH symptoms. Maybe even ten times as many, according to some models.. So, some doctors after contacting a covid patient, or a patient that carries covid unknowingly, will contract covid and get sick, hence having less doctors to treat the upcoming maelstrom (again, for the most part covid is a collective risk, rather than a personal one that's why it is so insidious).  Other doctors won't actually get sick but they *will* carry the disease. So if you go to the hospital you want doctors to have any kind of mask, but preferibly FFP3. 

Though TBH I think at this point all Europe is hoping the Chinese will bail us out and provide all the medical material we need. The sooner that happens, the less likely the situation of Italy will repeat in Spain, France, UK, and Germany.

[feelotraveller]

Meanwhile convicts in Brazil decided to just leave prison after new Coronavirus restrictions.
There was also a prison break in Italy

Iran looks positively enlightened  by comparison since they straight up released many of theirs.

[Naturegirl1999]

I can't see anything wrong with it either, it seems really harmless.

Opponents say things like "the same government offices that set state prosecution guidelines for conviction rates and severity are also building their budgets around the dividends from prison labor programs they also administer" and "elections to head these offices are intensely lobbied and campaigned for by the companies profiting from these programs", but I think what they're missing is that criminals need to be punished.

yep, sounds like America. This country sucks in regards to this. I wonder if there is anyone against for profit prisons

Back to Coronavirus: My college won’t be having classes on the 23 or 24 of March, and there will be remote classes in the 25, due to Coronavirus

[Doomblade187]

(It is worth noting that Belgium's prisons are probably much better condition wise than American prisons, so prison labor may not actually be slave labor there.)

Anyways! Work has gone remote for me (engineering), and the office building is basically locking up for the upcoming months. Not seeing a whole lot of forced closures here in GA, but it's likely to happen as things intensfy.

[coalboat]

Maybe this sounds pessimistic but I think prison slave labour will be far from the worst things human right wise that happens by the end if this year.

[wierd]

https://www.wibw.com/content/news/Governor-cancels-all-schools-for-rest-of-school-year-568874141.html

Well at least thats one less virus breeding vector...

[scriver]

What does K-12 schools mean? Colleges? The usage of campuses led me to conclude such.

[Greiger]

K-12 is kindergarden til 12th grade.  Basically all the school children attend before they become an adult.  Does not include colleges, but plenty of colleges are shutting down as well.

[Max™]

Kindergarten and 1st through 12th grade, which should focus more on things like identifying interests, developing useful skills, preparation for apprenticeships for some, straight trade school for others, and higher education for those interested.

Sadly it's more about instilling a willingness to perform vague, often pointless tasks, with a vague implication that there will be a point and reward for it, but it's probably best not to question the way things are too much because it's just the way things are, so if you figured out how to get ahead of the game congratulations, if not... hey, here's a diploma you can use for... not much, but if you want another shot at figuring things out you're welcome to keep going, but you gotta pay now!


In other actually on topic news: fuck.

[scriver]

K-12 is kindergarden til 12th grade.  Basically all the school children attend before they become an adult.  Does not include colleges, but plenty of colleges are shutting down as well.

...And they're shutting them down for the rest of the YEAR? That's crazy. Straight crazy.

Edit: I realised immediately after posting that they of course mean school year. I guess I had forgotten those kinds of year exist

Still crazy though! But not quite as crazy.