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[martinuzz]

Our government cancelled the closing of coffeeshops. It lasted 1 day.
They probably didn't realize yesterday that about 1 in 12 people over here smoke weed everyday and came to their senses after seeing the massive queues yesterday evening of people stocking up on weed.

[da_nang]

Local supermarkets are getting cleared out it seems. My main concern is that it's going to be hard to get fresh food for my tortoise more so than food for the humans in the house.

Honestly?  The produce section was kinda untouched.  I get that produce is fairly perishable, but I feel like this says something about society.

Blanch and freeze. Then it can lasts months.

But I think barely anyone ever does that here these days. Storage capacity is a limitation. It's more dry goods, root vegetables, and tin cans.

[WealthyRadish]

The shops here have been running out of things due to hysterical hoarding, but I have a relative in this city who works at a grocery store and can buy things before the store opens. So, yay for corruption, I guess.

[MrRoboto75]

The shops here have been running out of things due to hysterical hoarding, but I have a relative in this city who works at a grocery store and can buy things before the store opens. So, yay for corruption, I guess.

The obvious downside is they have to work at a grocery during this

[martinuzz]

I got a bag full of fresh veggies from my neighbor.
He works as a cook in a restaurant, they took the perishable stocks home so they won't go to waste over the 3 week shutdown.
I'll guess I'll be making healthy soups and loading my freezer with those.

[da_nang]

The shops here have been running out of things due to hysterical hoarding, but I have a relative in this city who works at a grocery store and can buy things before the store opens. So, yay for corruption, I guess.

The obvious downside is they have to work at a grocery during this

That's when you start ordering groceries online. How to handle the actual delivery in a time of social panic, though, is another question. Not just how to avoid infection, but how to avoid theft as well.

[ChairmanPoo]

Good to know. Though social isolation is actually beginning to get to me. And the UK's approach of "Bring out yer Dead" doesn't support it atm.

I was appalled when I heard. I really hope people isolate nonetheless and that govt policy changes. It could get really bad

[martinuzz]

That's when you start ordering groceries online. How to handle the actual delivery in a time of social panic, though, is another question. Not just how to avoid infection, but how to avoid theft as well.

Most online grocery delivery firms over here simply cannot keep up with demand.
Their virtual shelves empty way faster than the supermarkets' shelves.

[ChairmanPoo]

I wanted to share this

https://corrierefiorentino.corriere.it/firenze/notizie/cronaca/20_marzo_15/dobbiamo-cambiare-rotta-ef23a500-669a-11ea-a40a-86d505f82a96.shtml?refresh_ce-cp&fbclid=IwAR2cqq7C46QM1o4mwSGPFImOzcIc7spd-LoDZMs9MKD0Ft5Xt-BB3b6TWD8

Basically, they did a study in an Italian town, Vo.  They found that 50 to 70% of the population were asymptomatic or oligosymtomatic  carriers of coronavirus. Then they enforced even stricter isolation on these and infections fell from 88 to 7

So the takehome message if this is true:
- reinforces the situation with the virus. On an individual basis danger is low. But it destroys societies and healthcare systems.

- the covid19 cases we see are the tip of the iceberg. We're surrounded by thousands of superspreaders.

- social isolation works. It works better if you do it early before it infiltrates your society. But even late you can turn the tabs on covid19 if you act decisively.

Addenum:  Macron admitted on french TV thst there might be thousands of asymptomatic superspreaders. So he's stepping up the lockdpwn

But the letter in the italian newspaper was published on March the 14th.  And he held French elections a couple of days ago.

So my questions
-Why are all western goverments reacting so slow and so sloppy?

-Why are being so misinformed by our goverments???

[mko]

Why are all western goverments reacting so slow and so sloppy?

Still, initial reaction is better than initial Chinese reaction (though we had warning, so it is not good anyway).

[da_nang]

My guess would be some MPs and/or members of government are valuing the economy too much.

[nenjin]

Probably because compared to Eastern governments, Western Governments with their emphasis on personal and individual freedom would have to resort to putting troops on the street to enforce curfews. Compared to Eastern governments with their collectivist mindsets, it's probably a lot easier and more socially acceptable for them to go straight to curfews and have them actually be respected by the populace without putting troops on the street.

Because as soon as Martial Law gets declared and there are troops on the street enforcing curfews and quarantine orders in Western countries, that's when the panic and hysteria is going to reach 11.

In other news, my apartment closed the Fitness Center. More than the lack of TP and stuff missing from the shelves, this is the closest Coronavirus has come to affecting me.

[ChairmanPoo]

In all honesty toilet papers wouldnt be such a big problem if you adopted bidets for the purpose

[Reelya]

The shops here have been running out of things due to hysterical hoarding, but I have a relative in this city who works at a grocery store and can buy things before the store opens. So, yay for corruption, I guess.

The obvious downside is they have to work at a grocery during this

That's when you start ordering groceries online. How to handle the actual delivery in a time of social panic, though, is another question. Not just how to avoid infection, but how to avoid theft as well.

Online ordering has broken down too. Here, you used to be able to order two days ahead, but it ended up booked out almost two weeks in advance. Now, that major supermarket chain has informed the media that they're no longer accepting online orders unless you're a pensioner or on disability.

Right now, your best bet is to hit the supermarket right at opening time. But even then, queues are starting before that.

[martinuzz]

The thing is, toilet papers aren't a problem at all.
It's one big overhyped internet meme.
Some guy in Australia saying toilet paper is all made in China (it isn't) went viral, turned into an internet meme and now people all across the globe are unnescessarily hoarding toilet paper, creating a daily shortage that wouldn't be there if they weren't hoarding the stuff.