Easy there, easy there. How do you expect me, who made a singular post before yesterday, to suddenly produce a reads list out of thin air?
Why do you feel like I should have one if you're going to
refuse to do the same work you're asking for?
Not having posted doesn't mean you haven't been reading the thread (you not knowing what's in the thread suggests you haven't been reading the thread). There's no reason you couldn't have a list of reads. That said, I'm not too interesting in your putting out a reads list, I'd rather more of this latest post each day in the future.
You need to slow down a bit. We're not in a rush, we've still got tomorrow.
Yes and no. The degree of certainty that we could have in our positions would be overwhelmingly better if we could have a productive 120 hours instead of a productive 48 hours. I, for one, will probably not be posting too many times after this and am liable to be slipping into a mild coma in the span leading up to the deadline. If everyone put out a post or two like this (your most recent), we'd be sitting well for going into D2.
Everyone, what is the most likely target for the next night kill?
Why do you care? How about you find scu[rest of non-answer cut out]{Why do you care? How about you find scum instead of trying to direct the conversatino to wifom?}
Stop dodging the question and start answering it.
You're going to be seeing a lot of this quote pyramid in the future unless/until you convince me you're not scum.
I'm going to break this down since this is a good encapsulation of my case against
PookaPPE: Naturegirl1999 pay attention to this partOkay, some of the players here are very new to the game and don't really follow why what pooka is doing here is obviously scummy and totally against town interests.
There's this idea in mafia of WIFOM, which stands for 'wine in front of me'. It's a reference to a scene in The Princess Bride where a challenge is placed to pick which of the two cups of wine is poisoned, based solely on the knowledge that the order was chosen by your opponent and attempting to discern to what degree they are double(triple,quadriple,etc.) bluffing. The entire situation is a false dichotomy, because at the end of the scene it is revealed that both cups were poisoned by the opponent, who is also the one who set the challenge and had previously developed an immunity to the poison. This metaphor translates directly into mafia.
Were it possible to correctly guess which player was going to be nightkilled, I could attempt to do so and post this information in the thread, since you would expect this to produce a guarunteed save by the jailkeeper, or raise extremely peritent questions about the player's alignment if they aren't killed. Here are the problems with this kind of thinking:
scum always have the positional advantage,
town information is never as dynamic as scum information. What do I mean by these things? Scum always make the final (and only) decision, which is at night. This means that scum will always have the opportunity to make to decide based on all of the possible information they could have collected. The only way for town players to communicate is in the thread, because they have no quicktopic etc. This means that scum will always know what town
publically know. There is no way for me, say, to communicate to the jailkeeper my thoughts about the nightkill without
also making scum aware that the jailkeeper is aware of this. Ultimately, no matter what town do or say in the thread, scum can just flip a coin or use a random number generator and subvert the process completely. Meanwhile, the entire discussion does nothing towards producing reliable reads on town/scum that would survive this happening. The game is both rigged from the start and unrelated to the actual game of mafia. So what's
Pooka done that's so scummy?
Pooka is insistenting on asking questions which are purely in the realm of WIFOM, and literally interupting my requests that they focus on finding scum to do so.
They are manufacturing a false case on me by trying to frame a lack of engagement with an explicitly antitown activity (useless speculation that only helps scum) as some sort of crime.
They are also doing all this, without having read the thread or my posts.
How do I know
Pooka hasn't read my posts?
Well, I'd already answered the question before it was ever asked.
I'll also take this chance to remind you [IcyTea] that if you are town, you're probably going to die tonight because the hypothetical jailkeeper will be on me and all but the most inept or easily wifom'd scumteams will realise this.
You should be able to realise from my 'nonanswer' that this position hadn't changed. Jailkeeper is going to be on me, because either I'm town and the most valuable player in the game, or I'm scum and you may as well block me. Knowing this, scum are probably not going to kill me, so they're probably going to kill ICT. All of this is pointless and subject to WIFOM though, because scum can read my posts (though I guess that might not be true, if the scumteam involves pooka lmao).
Oh, also they keep saying they don't read the thread/my posts. Here's one example:
I'm not feeling up to reading walls of text between you and ICT.
If you've read the source of the above quote which apparently made you switch your vote,
Naturegirl1999, you shoulds notice that you are now literally voting me based on another players gutread.
What's your actual read on me, by the way,
naturegirl?Nobody suspects Active Helpful Town Poster because they're contributing to the game, which is hard to do as scum when you already know where all the pieces go and are trying their best not to give it away.
The Active Helpful Town Poster as I said is basically the Scum of the Earth I'm talking about. Yes it's hard, but it's not impossible, and it makes for a good show. So I save myself the trouble from worrying about activity.
Again, you're either just plain uneducated and have no idea what you're talking about, or you're lying through your teeth. If it is
easier to post more as town, then
if everyone posts as much as possible, scum will be forced to post less by their increased difficulty in doing so. The only exception would be if a player literally always throws the game as town because they want to always be scum or some dumb shit like that. Basically, if it's variable how difficult it is to do something as town/scum, we can literally determine alignment solely by that category if we push it near the limit.
By the standards of whom? A towntell so strong and reliable, practically few even has it this game. No thanks.
In 90% of mafia games, 2/3 of this town would be the first player lynched for their crippling inactivity and total refusal to engage in scumhunting, yes.
Do you remember that list with me voting for hector and 6/9 players FOS'd for being inactive? Literally everyone with any amount of experience playing on B12 or in similar metagames would agree with that position. The behavior is incrediably suspicious from each and every one of you that is/was inactive. The only reason it's not being driven down to the point of the lynch is because it's so widespread that it can't be used to distinguish between you.
Claims, nightkill results if you're a protective power role.
Let's find scum
before we're all dead, for a change of pace. Mechanics don't matter. It's D1. Scum will slip because they're scummy, not because you've got inspect results on one of them.
Interesting. What if the outliers post too much compared to the rest (assume all of them are posting fairly regularly)?
That means they're (probably) town Potential WIFOM material if they're seen alive Day 2, and I'd rather get rid of it now than later.
I only quoted this because it's funny that you think I'm such a threat to the scum that you expect me to be the target of their scumkill, yet you're also trying to lynch me (because I won't respond to WIFOM, no less).
All I'm getting from this is that I'm a threat to
you,
pooka. How can you be so confident that I'm not on your team? You know our alignments already, eh mr mafia?
A major world religion has a fixed system of doing things; the five daily prayers of Islam rarely change. A Mafia game is unpredictable, either you spend five minutes responding to a bunch of posts or twenty to deal with dolores' responses to a single person. I know Mafia is a srz business game, but activity on Day 1 isn't even my strongest suit on a normal day, let alone with a cold and life to tend to.
It was ICT who suggested this routine change, and it seems to be working wonders for you(r content).
If everyone can put out a post like this (your recent post) once every 24 hours, the game will proceed along fine, if slower than it could be.
What we can't deal with is a one paragraph post every 72 hours, which is what we've had up until now outside of the three, for want of a better term, ICs in the game.
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