Dolores, I have scrolled up and down the game's two pages and found nothing of a "reads list." Do you have one on hand?
Where's yours, kiddo?
Not only had I posted an ordered list of reads, I'd posted the explanation of the reads directly above it. The inactive players section was ordered from town-scum at that time. If you're insistent that I give you the one-line explanation for each, every player other than NG, Qh and TricMagic have the explanation "This player hasn't posted enough to draw any sort of conclusions about their alignment with more than a 1% confidence". You should already know my reads on those other players if you've followed the thread. I'll post an updated list at the bottom of this post with more details now that people have some posts in the thread.
IcyTea is active and hector isn't. Now, hector would theoretically be less active due to external factors if he wasn't going to go in on a mafia game, but he also went in and didn't give any sort of excuse about it so maybe I'm reading too much into that. Hector is still more active than 2/3 of the town, but that's not surprising given who's making up the other 2/3 of the town. ICT seems to care a lot more about the state of his information and potential cases generally, whereas hector seems more focused on specific narratives. What I'm trying to say is, so far in this game, hector13 is suspicious to me and IcyTea31 isn't.
Active players:
dolores
IcyTea31
hector13
Inactive Players:
Naturegirl1999
IonMatrix
Pooka
kingawsume
TricMagic
Questorhank
(y'all need to fucking post)
Everyone, what is the most likely target for the next night kill?
Why do you care? How about you find scum instead of trying to direct the conversatino to wifom?
Wifom isn't even a bad tool if you keep it all in your head. The moment you try to bog it down like this and make it reactable, it serves no purposes other than to distract the town.
I'm leaning on a dolores lynch unless the answers convince me otherwise.
And have you got a single piece of evidence to back that up? You've got several pages of what is almost 50% my content. Why don't you go through that and try to piece together an argument instead of complaining that
reading posts is too hard and asking for things you've already seen.
Dolores, can you give a short list of reasons to lynch Hector over you?
What a fucking joke.
Not only did I literally give a short list of reasons (it's quite short) why hector was suspicious
IcyTea is active and hector isn't. Now, hector would theoretically be less active due to external factors if he wasn't going to go in on a mafia game, but he also went in and didn't give any sort of excuse about it so maybe I'm reading too much into that. Hector is still more active than 2/3 of the town, but that's not surprising given who's making up the other 2/3 of the town. ICT seems to care a lot more about the state of his information and potential cases generally, whereas hector seems more focused on specific narratives. What I'm trying to say is, so far in this game, hector13 is suspicious to me and IcyTea31 isn't.
as well as a wall of questions directed at the suspect parts of his posts that he declined to answer.
But you, again, have literally no reason to lynch me despite walls and walls of text for you to pick through. Ya got nothing. You're voting for by far the most active player and you have not a single piece of evidence or reference to any of my posts or interactions to base it on. You know something I don't know, tric? Why are you so willing to lynch between myself and hector when the suspiciousness of our play is so radically different, and further willing to do so without having viewed literally any of the evidence yourself? Does it not matter how suspicious we appear because you already know neither of us is scum?
That's not a lynch list, it's merely a list saying who is active and who is inactive. Besides Dolores and ICT, notice how everyone in that list is blue, they all have a finger of suspicion pointed towards them. Not exactly useful because there is two scum, not that many.
Kinda makes it hard for the players in the game when you're so cripplingly inactive that they can't draw any conclusions about your alignment, chump. Posting once in RVS and then lurking for the rest of the game is suspicious as heck and you don't get to pretend it's not.
So, for my own questions, first, Everyone, who do you want to be lynched?
hector13, obviously
Also, dolores, I see that you have requested a extention. Do you still feel like we needit? If so, why?
Well given that 2/3 of the town have posted virtually nothing, it'd be a good start.
If the quality of the posts is anything like this it's not going to make much difference though.
Have you considered reading the thread? Maybe asking questions about ideas that arise from doing that?
There's too much here to dissect into clear points, as my issue is about the post as a whole: the way you suddenly switched your tone to agreeing with me and arguing from the starting point of me being town seems to me like an attempt to flatter me to distract me away from you. It's after only directly responding to one point (though your post to hector indirectly responds to most of the rest) of this post, and after saying this:
The idea that not giving a bad response is more important than getting content out onto the page where other players can see it is deeply scummy, ICT. Why are you so concerned about how you look? Surely if you give a forthright response and let slip things like your identity, that can only be good for you, right ICT?
My gut simply doesn't agree with the sudden flip-flop. I thought I had you cornered with your only out being to admit to hypocrisy, and then just...nothing. Here's a thought: I consider hypocrisy to be an anti-scumtell (not quite a towntell), because scum players are generally more meticulous about keeping their story straight, because town players can count on their stories holding up on their own.
You already know I'm a hypocrite, I'd have just thought it was assumed. Anyway, it seemed like you understood my points and there was nothing in your post that I was going to drag out at a later date to try and get you lynched (besides what I did); I was "playing suspect" in that exchange and you weren't, so
Anyway, I'm definetly not trying to get you to stop chasing me. I was dropping the case I was building against you for the time being while I prepared to tackle hector, but that got finished in one post so I lost a lot of momentum there.
I'm cutting out sections of quotes when I don't have any questions related to them and I don't see any use to commentating on them to drive one of my narratives. I'll give you an example right now and cut out a section of a post which, by not being responded to, makes it easy to see that the trivial case is an acceptable assumption for you to pick up.
Fine, short version: if QH is scum, you are scum and bussed them. If QH is town, hector is scum.
This is duuuumb
You're that certain that Qh is town? Why? Based on what? Their only posts showed questionable priorities. Somehow, through some magic, there are a lot of bad players who also show those priorities, but they're fundamentally scum positions. What have you read that makes you so willing to tell me that they're clean?
As for what they will do, I have the feeling that you and Dolores would be the center of power role activity due to both the content you both created and the content the rest has not created (which means the rest are not as fruitful for PR usage). As for the picture, I can't say without the pieces yet, but the more interconnected, the better, and finally scumslips can be made to happen by questioning motives for an action, and this will be easier during the mass claims season where scum have to build up a believable "alibi" to stay alive.
What a fucking joke. Here's your mass claim, dumbass. "I claim vanilla townie". There you go. That's it. That's your alibi. The one power role is the jailkeeper who won't claim under any circumstance, because the setup didn't roll a cop. Congrats.
You're not going to find anything on D1 and nothing beyond cop claims/counterclaims (which might not happen) D2+ if you don't do actual work in the thread instead of waiting around doing jack shit.
For one, it makes them that much harder to spot by activity and if done well, nobody would expect Active Helpful Town Poster to be the Scum of the Earth.
Nobody suspects Active Helpful Town Poster because they're contributing to the game, which is hard to do as scum when you already know where all the pieces go and are trying their best not to give it away. It's easy to be active as a townie in an active town because there are a lot of things you want to find out. The activity of the town is a rate limiter on how much work you can do because you can't schizopost your way into alignment knowledge, you've gotta investigate based on content in the thread. It is always in scums interest for there to be less activity in the thread and it is always in town's interest for there to be more.
Unless you never post, I believe activity doesn't tell much of how scummy someone is.
(Until twelve hours ago, you've pretty much never posted. I guess this is your scumclaim?)
Completely wrong and laughably uneducated. Activity is the strongest and most reliable towntell. Activity varies by player, circumstance, and gamestate/role. If you know the player and can control for their metagame (and any external factors they've stated which might impact their activity), you can likely determine the alignment and PR status of a player by their level of engagement. Scum will always be less engaged than town because there is less they are interested in finding out. Cops will always be less engaged than vanilla townie's etc. because there is less they are interested in finding out, also. This is why cops usually read like scum.
I'm satisfied by your answers, my only point of disagreement is Dolores being nightkilled, but I can see you getting nightkilled probable. Won't be long until we find out or something changes in the upcoming two days.
Yeah guys, let's just wait for scum to win before we do any work. The fact that we have a limited number of mislynches and will virtually certainly have to solve the game without too much mechanical help doesn't mean that we can't sit on a thumbs and refuse to do anything until we get mechanical solutions, which will be after we've lost.
dolores too cute to lynch
IcyTea31 actually active, and therefore instantly better off than every other player on this list. Relatively standard play by ICT standards, nothing wrong enough for me to really follow up on yet and their work yielded the first real case of the game (hector13)
Naturegirl1999 as much as they haven't contributed in a coherent form, the way they post gutreads as bad!town as opposed to moderate!scum activelurking. Also I don't think that sort of activelurking is part of their meta but I guess I gotta read that game where they were scum and draw comparisons. Based on that, this read might change, but otherwise they're the most likely to be town after myself. I'd still rather lynch NG than ICT because ICT actually makes the game playable.
kingawsume really bad playstyle and not nearly active enough, but one of the few players in this thread who is actually asking questions about what has happened in the thread (which aren't just "what did you say in all those posts I refuse to read")
IonMatrix I could not be less thrilled about putting someone who literally refuses to read posts and puts out six lines every three days as the centre post, but unlike TBF they seem to actually parse the posts they have read and to be following along with the game. This is basically a neutral read. Everyone below this is either suspicious or intentionally dragging down the game (antitown).
Questorhank cripplingly inactive, intrinsically suspicous priorities (claims vanilla townie, also claims that they want to avoid the nightkill). Probably either going to be my second pick or soft town if they respond, for now soft scum and hard antitown (for inactivity)
TricMagic votes seemingly randomly (with no explanations given), explictly refuses to read the thread, doesn't seem to care who gets lynched. Motivations show no correlation with town goals whatsoever, doesn't answer questions. Probably just rediculous anti-town, which is a horrible thought, but the only reason I haven't put them lower. TBF was easier to play with than this
Pooka finally, someone actually suspicious. Repeated, insistent, unflinching devotion to not scumhunting. Keeps trying to redirect conversation to mechanical issues when there are none (it is Day1 my dude) and refusing to engage with any sort of actual scumhunting. Explictly anti-activity. I'm expecting either a big change towards actually trying to find scum, or this read not to change.
hector13 read the thread, or at least
this post and the responses below it.
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