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[Naturegirl1999]

How many tokens does reverse engineering the M15 Stielhandgranade cost?

[Khang36]

Ok so rifle is two tokens.

The rivision and reversengineering is 2 tokens

I changed the kit to just uniform and small things which should be two.

What item in the kit is adding the extra 2 tokens?

[Aseaheru]

 Rifle is three tokens, uniform is three tokens, each revision is one token. However, I just realized I fucked up, and ou have 10 tokens total, of which 6 are assigned here. Its a good thing I checked.

[Khang36]

i thought designs were two tokens each

quoted from basic rules

 Turns are bi-yearly, and will probably have four phases, consisting of production/construction/allotment(ABC), design/revision, rituals/expeditions and a reports phase. Events will also occur fairly regularly within the reports phase.
 During the production/construction/allotment(ABC) phase the players vote on what to spend their tokens on, allot the contents of their stockpiles to their armies, and assign what production center to do what work(which will take a turn, or two if it was already 'tooled up'). Each side will start with 10 tokens, although events in game may increase or decrease this. One token may be used to start construction, revise a piece of equipment or plan an expedition, two or four are used to start designs, two are used for starting research on a ritual or relic, and any number of tokens may be spent each turn to continue development of a project.

 During design/revision, players vote on what designs and/or revisions they work on that turn. Two tokens are required to start a design, although four may be spent to make it a "rush project" or spent in any number after the first turn of work to improve any aspect of the design. They may also spend one token to revise a design, completed or not. For more details, please check the section on Design & Revisions

 

[Aseaheru]

 Curse you brain, confusing me with rules from other things! I think I might also have to refund a token to the other side now, since apparently I always forget this.

So, yes, plan yall had was 6 tokens, you have four tokens you can spend anywhere.

[Khang36]

ABC = 2 tokens
1.expande workshop in East Neu Salsburg
2. Build a steel foundry in Sellye Industrial Zone

Design = 4 tokens

Spoiler: PA SLR 1921 (click to show/hide)

PA SLR 1921
The Providence arsenal self loading rifle model 1921 or PA SLR 1921 is as the name implies a semi-automatic rifle chambered for the 6.5×54mm P, using a gas operated action to self load and can be manually loaded by operating the bolt, it uses a rotating bolt action to lock. It has a detachable box magazine with a capability of 10+1 rounds while soldiers can load the gun be swapping magazines they can also load rounds in through the open receiver be hand or with 5 round striper clips. The rifle measures to about 110 cm in length with the barrel being about 60 cm. the SLR 1921 has an aperture sight zeroed in at 50m and can be adjusted up to 700 m at 50m increments. Additionally there is a railing in front  of the iron sight with screw holes drilled in the sides to allow solders to mount a scopes and any other sighting equipment with out obstructing the iron sight. The rifle has a lug below the muzzle to attach a bayonet.

Spoiler:  Standard infantry kit-1921 (click to show/hide)

Standard infantry kit-1921
The standard infantry kit is a set of items and equipments that are issued to all infantry with some additional ones for specialized units. All kits comes with the following as standard
A simple battledress consisting of an olive green tunic, an olive green trouser, a leather belt, and a dark olive fabric cap. Rank is denoted by sholder patches.
Cotton blanket.
A hooded cloak made of waxed cotton
A wool coat for cold weather
A pair of triger finger mitten for cold weather
A treated canvas sheet to be used as a small tent or hammock
A haversack made of treated canvas with adjustable leather straps and buckle for weight distribution.
A satchel bag made of treated canvas
A spade
Water canteen
Mess kit
10 m of hemp rope cause you will never know when you will need some rope

Revisions = 1 token

fix the CSRE 1921
Fix the gun housing to removing the jamming problems caused by over heating and improve the build quality, move the forward grip to the otherside of of the magzine reciever, in front, to make it less awkward to handle. If possible a replacing the rotary magazine with a 25 round box magazine that is cross compatible with the PA SLR being designed.

reverse engineer = 3 tokens
M15 Stielhandgranate
10cm M.14 Feldhaubitze & shells = 2 tokens

[Naturegirl1999]

ABC = 2 tokens
1.expande workshop in East Neu Salsburg
2. Build a steel foundry in Sellye Industrial Zone

Design = 4 tokens

Spoiler: PA SLR 1921 (click to show/hide)

PA SLR 1921
The Providence arsenal self loading rifle model 1921 or PA SLR 1921 is as the name implies a semi-automatic rifle chambered for the 6.5×54mm P, using a gas operated action to self load and can be manually loaded by operating the bolt, it uses a rotating bolt action to lock. It has a detachable box magazine with a capability of 10+1 rounds while soldiers can load the gun be swapping magazines they can also load rounds in through the open receiver be hand or with 5 round striper clips. The rifle measures to about 110 cm in length with the barrel being about 60 cm. the SLR 1921 has an aperture sight zeroed in at 50m and can be adjusted up to 700 m at 50m increments. Additionally there is a railing in front  of the iron sight with screw holes drilled in the sides to allow solders to mount a scopes and any other sighting equipment with out obstructing the iron sight. The rifle has a lug below the muzzle to attach a bayonet.

Spoiler:  Standard infantry kit-1921 (click to show/hide)

Standard infantry kit-1921
The standard infantry kit is a set of items and equipments that are issued to all infantry with some additional ones for specialized units. All kits comes with the following as standard
A simple battledress consisting of an olive green tunic, an olive green trouser, a leather belt, and a dark olive fabric cap. Rank is denoted by sholder patches.
Cotton blanket.
A hooded cloak made of waxed cotton
A wool coat for cold weather
A pair of triger finger mitten for cold weather
A treated canvas sheet to be used as a small tent or hammock
A haversack made of treated canvas with adjustable leather straps and buckle for weight distribution.
A satchel bag made of treated canvas
A spade
Water canteen
Mess kit
10 m of hemp rope cause you will never know when you will need some rope

Revisions = 1 token

fix the CSRE 1921
Fix the gun housing to removing the jamming problems caused by over heating and improve the build quality, move the forward grip to the otherside of of the magzine reciever, in front, to make it less awkward to handle. If possible a replacing the rotary magazine with a 25 round box magazine that is cross compatible with the PA SLR being designed.

reverse engineer = 3 tokens
M15 Stielhandgranate
10cm M.14 Feldhaubitze & shells = 2 tokens

+1

[Aseaheru]

 Starting work on the turn. Sorry for the wait, I thought atleast one side had a third player.
Tad depressing, that


Oh, and on the CSRG 1921/CSRE 1921, you changing the name to be the CSRE, or was that a typo?

[Naturegirl1999]

Typo

[Aseaheru]

 Oh, found one issue. The M.14 Feldhaubitze and its shells being revised, would you like the smoke or the HE? To have both would mean giving up a token elsewhere.

[Khang36]

He please forgot about the smoke.

[Aseaheru]

 Going through things fer final checks, I just learned that yall already had the shells fer the fieldhalbutzers. So, what you want that token spent on. Also, I wrote that with only three errors, which is surprising and slightly worrying.

 Question will also be asked on the discord, first place I see respond gets it. Mostly because I really want this bit out so I can cry at the battle phase cry at lack of information on australia get to the next ABC phase.

[Aseaheru]

Cold Season, 1921, D&R Phase

But first, ABC Shenanagans

 The East Neu Salsburg workshops where worked on being expanded this turn, and a new steel foundry was started construction on in Sellye to take advantage of its iron and coal. The workshop expansion went well, getting two lines constructed before the season was over(they will produce goods this turn if wished), as was the steel foundry, for that matter.
 The foundry, stated by some of the engineers to be world-class(if the world still exists, and if things remain the same anyhow), has its own problems, partially due to its successes. Part of the preprocessing of the steel requires some amount of electricity, and the sheer scale of possible production places strain on existing technology to shift material about. And then there is the issue of Flux.
 While our isle has large deposits of flux stone, production is almost entirely limited to the northern swamps. The steelmill can still produce, but it would be better if it had access to fresh dolomite.

End of ABC Shenanagans

 Starting off with the lower end of work, we have four revisions or reverse engineering.
 First off, the CSRG 1921* program, aiming to reduce jamming, shifiting the forward grip to a better position, and seeing about replacing the magazine. Well, the work has gone well, with fit and finish improving, the cost increasing as a result, and somehow more bugs being worked in. Most of these appear to be due to the magazine changes, going from the slightly bulky detachable rotary magazine to various designs of box magazines, which are invaribally too long, too fragile, hold too few rounds, or some combanation thereof, our engineers having not figured out how to do anything past a single-stack box magazine. The best example is now side-mounted, and holds 15 rounds while only failing to work when breathed on half the time. That said, jamming has been reduced, and the few remaining problems with debris have been knocked on the head.
 Next, the reverse engineering of things.
 The M15 Stielhandgranate has long been recognized as a savage force multiplier in the assault. Our copy thereof is of fairly decent quality and is produced cheaply in bulk. Final blueprints are able to be handed out to factories imminently.
 The M.14 Feldhaubitze is... of dubious quality. Fit and finish are nonexistent, and parts breakage is higher as a result. But the gun(now the M.14/21FH) is, atleast, significantly cheaper to produce. The blueprints are ready to be delivered to the workshops now.
 After an abortive start on recreating the blueprints for the 100x183mmR HE warhead, efforts instead went over to improving the 6.5x54mmP round, particually in improving its mass-production with the aim of thus improving its accuricy. This effort went quite well, the bugs in the process being worked out, the quality able to be made increasing, the revised prints in the workshops, and no new bugs for the squashing.
 
 The PA-SLR-M.21 is the first self-loading rifle seen on these islands and is being designed by the Providence Arsenal. Chambering 6.5x54mmP, this gas-operated  long-piston rotary-bolt weapon is about half-way to being completed. That is not to say there arent a few issues.
 The weapon is expensive. Allready it looks like we could make almost two CSRGs for one SLR. The box magazine proved impossible, instead the team fell back on a choice of Mannlicher clips or fitting the gun to use a CSRG M.21 rotary magazine. Finally, on the subject of the scope mounting bracket, our engineers where unable to design a manner inwhich it could be on the centerline without fouling the irons, so have proposed two methods: Having a sight rail on the side of the gun, or having the sight be affixed offset to the centerline of the gun.
 
 The PA-SIK-M.21 is our standard infantry kit, including waxed woolen cloak, woolen coat, woolen mittens with both a thumb and a finger separate from the rest of the hand and leather fingers and palm, a waxed canvas half-tent that can be used as a hammock, a simple canvas haversack, a similarly constructed backpack with the ability to have a wooden frame fitted, a spade, a metal(although cloth-covered) canteen, a simple mess tin of stamped metal, an olive-green battledress(composed of tunic, trousers, belt, and messcap) and some rope. All items are of exceptional quality, while production time is slated to be minimal for each item.
 And then the issues begin to occur. The dye chosen for the pieces is not in the slightest olive green, runs if one glances at it, and apparently makes the items highly flammable. The leather for the belt, mitten palms, and backpack has numerous issues with durability(linked to the tanning), and the canteen and messtin just... Arent good. The canteen holds less water than the haversack, while the messtin bends if one swears within a mile and shines like the sun tooboot. Speaking of tooboot, there arent any.

WELCOME TO THE RRE PHASE FOR COLD SEASON, 1921
You have no tokens for this phase.
The Scryery Ritual progresses to 2/3.

Welcome to the Events Phase for Cold Season, 1921
You are now waiting on silly gubbins from the GM.

Spoiler: WIP Projects (click to show/hide)

Scryery Ritual (2/3)(Cost 1, Awareness 5)

Long-piston rotating-bolt auto-loader, aperture sights for 50-700m
-10rd box replaced with 5rd clips or 20rd rotary(choose one)
-Scope bracket offset OR on side of gun(Choose one)

Uniforms. High quality, cheap.
-Leather is of low quality
-Metal goods are of low quality
-dye used for uniform is bright, vibrant, runs, and flammable.

CSRG 1921* | 1922
100x183mmR HE | 1922

Spoiler: Units & Similar Important Gubbins (click to show/hide)

Divisional Equipment
-Salvator-Dormus HMG {Laborious Setup}
-CSRG 1915
Regimental Equipment
-10cm M.14 Feldhaubitze {Fast Setup}
-Berthier Carbine
Battalion Equipment
Company Equipment
-Frommer Stop
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
-Animal-Drawn Wagons
-Berthier Rifle
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment
-M15 Stielhandgranate

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
40(60)

Divisional Equipment
-15cm SK L/35 {Laborious Setup}
-CSRG 1917
Regimental Equipment
Battalion Equipment
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
-Ruby Pistol
-Wagons
-Berthier Rifle
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment
-M15 Stielhandgranate

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
63(60) WARNING: INSUFFICCENT LOGISITICAL CAPACITY

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1915
-10cm M.14 Feldhaubitze {Fast Setup}
-CSRG 1917
Regimental Equipment
-Mousqueton Berthier Mle 1892/M16
Battalion Equipment
-Wagons
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
-Berthier Rifle
-Roth-Krnka M.7 Pistol
Section Equipment
-Wagons
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment
-M15 Stielhandgranate

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
63(60) WARNING: INSUFFICCENT LOGISITICAL CAPACITY

Divisional Equipment
Regimental Equipment
-Mousqueton Berthier Mle 1892/M16d
Battalion Equipment
-CSRG 1917
Company Equipment
-Wagons
-Roth-Krnka M.7 Pistol
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
-Berthier Rifle
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment
-M15 Stielhandgranate

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
52(40) WARNING: INSUFFICCENT LOGISITICAL CAPACITY

Divisional Equipment
-10cm M.14 Feldhaubitze{Fast setup}
-15cm SK L/35{Laborious setup}
-CSRG 1917
Regimental Equipment
-CSRG 1915
Battalion Equipment
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
-Wagons
Fireteam Equipment
-Berthier Rifle
Standard Issue Equipment
-M15 Stielhandgranate
-Rast&Gasser Revolver

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
68(60) WARNING: INSUFFICCENT LOGISITICAL CAPACITY

Divisional Equipment
-CSRG 1917
-Mousqueton Berthier Mle 1982/M16
Regimental Equipment
-CSRG 1915
Battalion Equipment
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
-Wagons
-Berthier Rifle
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment
-Mannlicher–Schönauer Rifle
-Rast&Gasser Revolver
-M15 Stielhandgranate

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
77(60) WARNING: INSUFFICCENT LOGISITICAL CAPACITY

Divisional Equipment
Regimental Equipment
-Hebel M.1894 Flaregun
Battalion Equipment
-CSRG 1917
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
-Wagons
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment
-M15 Stielhandgranate
Rast&Gasser Revolver
-M1917 Rifle

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
64(60) WARNING: INSUFFICCENT LOGISITICAL CAPACITY

Divisional Equipment
Regimental Equipment
Battalion Equipment
-Wagons
-CSRG 1917
Company Equipment
Platoon Equipment
Section Equipment
Fireteam Equipment
Standard Issue Equipment
-Mannlicher M1893
-M.15 Stielhandgranate

Total Logistics Burden(Potential)
41(30) WARNING: INSUFFICCENT LOGISITICAL CAPACITY

East Neu Salsburg Workshop
-CSRG M1921 | 10 2(Missing resources: Steel, Aluminum) 0(Retooling)
-Rast & Gasser M1898 | 200(Retooling)
Pecs Port
-125m Slipway | 62m Drifter(Unarmed):2 per turn
-165m Slipway | 38mm Trawler(Unarmed):5 per turn
Sellye Industrial Zone Workshop
-CSRG M1921 | 10 2(Missing resources: Steel, Aluminum)

Sawmill
Coal
Iron

14 spare population

1st Flotilla of the Seekers of Providence | PSF1

   SFK L/45 Skoda 7cm guns x6
   45cm torpedos x4
   2 × triple-expansion steam engines(each 4500kW), each powering one shaft
   NO RADIO

   
   Škoda 7 cm L/30 K09 BAG x2
   45mm torpedo tubes x4
   Minelaying equipment for 10-12 mines
   2x 3700kW steam turbines driving total of two shafts; one rigged for coal, the other for oil
   NO RADIO

   
   Škoda 7 cm L/30 K09 BAG x2
   45mm torpedo tubes x4
   Minelaying equipment for 10-12 mines
   2x 3700kW steam turbines driving total of two shafts; one rigged for coal, the other for oil
   NO RADIO

   
   Škoda 7 cm L/30 K09 BAG x2
   45mm torpedo tubes x4
   Minelaying equipment for 10-12 mines
   2x 3700kW steam turbines driving total of two shafts; one rigged for coal, the other for oil
   NO RADIO

Provides 30 logistics(35 unarmed)
   Mount for artillery piece
   2x Mount for Machinegun
   300kW triple-expantion reciprocating engine, single shaft, coal fired

Provides 30 logistics(35 unarmed)
   Mount for artillery piece
   2x Mount for Machinegun
   300kW triple-expantion reciprocating engine, single shaft, coal fired

Unassigned Vessels

Spoiler: Logistics & Designs (click to show/hide)

RIFLES/AUTOMATICS
75| Werndl–Holub rifle 11.15×58mmR | [Costs 1.5 LPs]
4| P14, .303 british | [2LP]
5| M1917, .30-06 | [2LP]
7| Mannlicher–Schönauer 6.5×54mm Mannlicher–Schönauer | [2LP]
9| Type 30 rifle 6.5×54mm Mannlicher–Schönauer | [2LP]
1| Mannlicher M1893 6.5x53mmR | [2LP]
0| Mousqueton Berthier Mle 1892/M16 | [2LP]

-Autorifles
0| CSRG 1915 8 Lebel | [5LP]
7| CSRG 1917 .30-06 | [5LP]

-MGs

ARTILLERY
0| 15 cm SK L/35 101lb warhead | [7LP] {Laborious Setup}
   AP, Common, Shrapnel

SIDEARMS
0| Frommer Stop 7.65mm/.32 ACP | [3LP]
0| Roth-Krnka M.7 8mm Roth-Steyr | [3LP]
0| Ruby pistol 7.65mm/.32 ACP | [3LP]
2| Rast & Gasser M1898 8mm Gasser | [2LP]

MISC
∞*| M15 Stielhandgranate | [.5LPs]
0| Hebel Model 1894 single shot 26.5mm flare gun | [Costs 1.5 LPs]

LOGISTICS
5| Wooden Farm Cart | [Provides 10 logistic points][Costs 2 LPs]

AMMUNITION
11.15x58mmR BLACKPOWDER
8mm Gasser
8mm Lebel
6.5x54mm P
two-part 100x183mmR(HE, Smoke)
6.5x54mm Mannlicher-Schönauer

WEAPONS
Werndl–Holub rifle(11.15×58mmR) {15 per line}{Timber, iron} [Costs 1.5 LPs]
Rast & Gasser M1898(8mm Gasser) {20 per line}{Timber, iron} [Costs 2 LPs]
CSRG 1915(8 Lebel) {13 per line}{Aluminum, Steel} [Costs 5 LPs]
CSRG M1921(6.5x54mmP) {13 per line}{Aluminum, Steel} [Costs 5 LPs]
CSRG M1921*(6.5x54mmP) {10 per line}{Aluminum, Steel} [Costs 5LPs]
M.14/21FH(100x183mmR Two-piece) {6 per line}{Steel, Copper} [Costs 6LPs]

EQUIPMENT
Wooden Farm Wagons {20 per line}{Timber, metal} [Provides 10 logistic points][Costs 2 LPs]

NAVAL
Modified 62m Drifter {5 per slipway} {Provides 30 logistics(35 unarmed)} {3LP Base)
   Mount for artillery piece
   2x Mount for Machinegun
   300kW triple-expansion reciprocating engine, single shaft, coal fired
   
Modified 38m Trawler {8 per slipway} {provides 20 logistics(25 unarmed)} {3LP Base}
   Mount for artillery piece
   2x Mount for Machinegun
   300kW triple-expantion reciprocating engine, single shaft, coal fired

Spoiler: Deployment and Knowledge (click to show/hide)

Sectors consist of:
 North Island
     Low hills
     Low mountain
 Neu Salsburg Bay Island
     Bay Island Fort [Government Remnants]
 West Isle
     Sand Dunes
     Low Mountains
     Wooded hills
 Neu Salsburg
     East (workshop, railway, level 4 Fortifications) [PS Army 1] [PS Army 8]
     West (Workshop, railway, Fortifications)
     Port (200m slipway, 50m slipway, railway, major river, Fortifications) [2nd Bergwanderer]
     The Castle (Fort)
     North (steel foundry, railway, powerstation)
Sellye
     north [4th Mondlicht]
     south
     Industrial (Blackband iron mine/processing, Workshop, railway) [PS Army 3]
 Pecs
     north (Level .5 Fortifications)[3rd Mondlicht]
     west
     port(125m, 165m slipways, sawmill, railway) [PS Army 2], [PS Army 4] | [PS Naval Flotilla 1]
     Pecs Fort[Government Remnants]
 Berek
     west
     south
     Industrial area (Bornite mine/processing, workshop, railway) [PS Army 6], [6th Mondlicht]
 Cigand
     port (railway, major river{waterfall}) [PS Army 5]
     north [5th Mondlicht]
     south
 Southern Swamps
     managed forest
     bauxite quarry(railway)
     undeveloped swamps
     undeveloped forest
     mixed forest/farmlands
 Northern Swamps
     Undeveloped swamps
     farms
     farms(railway, major river)
     horse ranch
     Dolomite Quarry(railway, major river)
 North Forest
     Undeveloped forest
     undeveloped forest
     farms(railway)
     managed forest(railway)
 Central Forest
     Undeveloped forest [PS Army 7]
     undeveloped forest [7th Garnison]
     Neu Salsburg Rail Depot(railway)
     mixed forest/farmland{railway)
 South-West Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 West Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains(railway)
 Central Mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains(railway, major river)
     mountains(railway, major river)
     mountains(railway, lake)
South-east Mountains
     mountains(railway)
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 North-east mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
 Northern mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains
     mountains

Sorry about the wait, and every other similar things. Now, to scream about one mechanic I missed, battles, and all that.

[Khang36]

Ok the the new lines.
I say for now both will be for wagons.

Also do i have any steel production now? Or will i need the dolomite and eletricity first

Additionaly for the SLR

1.offset the rail

[Aseaheru]

Steel production exists, at a malus.
Lines being wagons. Got it.

SLR offset rail. And the magazine?