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[blah_1123]

Excuse the poor picture. https://i.imgur.com/6LKqVTJ.jpg

Can anyone explain what's happened here? I sent a squad to pillage a goblin pits and I get this announcement, this was the leader of the squad. She's become lady at the goblin pits. Also of note is that 2 of my squad members are now prisoners there. I assume the rest were killed.

Has this happened to anyone else? Bug or feature? Does this mean my squad leader is a traitor? Why would the goblins accept a dwarf as a leader anyway.

Any suggestions and help will be much appreciated.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Yeah, this happens sometimes when dwarves are imprisoned. The status of prisoners isn't understood well enough and they end up being promoted to noble positions. It's on the bug tracker somewhere, I think. Worth reporting if it's not.

--edit
Seems to be all wrapped up in this report :
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=10645

[Tinnucorch]

Still, the "After a polite discussion discussion with local rivals" part does suggest that we are going to be careful with who we send on raids once the villain stuffs gets into the game.

[Egan_BW]

Don't think traitors and betrayals are things that really exist in the game yet. Though that will change very soon*.

*In DF development time.

[Fleeting Frames]

Local rivals implies multiple candidates, which means it is considering only your dwarves for the position here.

Yeah, it's not quite a broilerplate: I had two humans in my fort, and one became a guild representive near start of Granite with the message only saying "local rival". Therefore, before the dwarf was chosen for a lady it was predetermined the lady would be from amongst your dwarves.

I definitely recall reading how kidnapped dwarves growing up fight at the side of goblins, so presumably the lady might a well if they're no longer a prisoner.

[SpeardwarfErith]

I think the "local rivals" part is just a canned message that doesn't imply anything, I have never seen any other message. This happens when they get the position but possibly not from direct inheritance.

[Dunamisdeos]

I believe the usual method for determining traitors is the duck test. Check to see if the dwarf weighs as much as a duck via pressure plate linked to a magma flow.

[Bumber]

Has this happened to anyone else? Bug or feature? Does this mean my squad leader is a traitor? Why would the goblins accept a dwarf as a leader anyway.

Goblin society is based on power. They probably admired her strength.

[Tinnucorch]

Local rivals implies multiple candidates, which means it is considering only your dwarves for the position here.

Yeah, it's not quite a broilerplate: I had two humans in my fort, and one became a guild representive near start of Granite with the message only saying "local rival". Therefore, before the dwarf was chosen for a lady it was predetermined the lady would be from amongst your dwarves.

I definitely recall reading how kidnapped dwarves growing up fight at the side of goblins, so presumably the lady might a well if they're no longer a prisoner.

I was thinking it meant your civ enemies there, but that is simpler and makes more sense.
It would be fun if squads could go rogue, though.

[blah_1123]

A bit of an update, I sent another squad to try and rescue the prisoners. The leader of that squad was made militia commander at the goblin pits, some of the squad are listed as prisoners and the rest have just disappeared. When I send new missions to rescue prisoners the squad returns immediately with no report. This all seems quite broken. The goblin pits only have a population of 30 so I'm surprised every raid is failing and ending up with prisoners/defections(?). I may just forget about that site as I don't want to lose more military dwarves, I'm very short as it is.

[Shonai_Dweller]

A bit of an update, I sent another squad to try and rescue the prisoners. The leader of that squad was made militia commander at the goblin pits, some of the squad are listed as prisoners and the rest have just disappeared. When I send new missions to rescue prisoners the squad returns immediately with no report. This all seems quite broken. The goblin pits only have a population of 30 so I'm surprised every raid is failing and ending up with prisoners/defections(?). I may just forget about that site as I don't want to lose more military dwarves, I'm very short as it is.

Prisoner rescue option is broken right now (squad returns immediately).
You can get around it by raiding with prisoner rescue selected in details.

[blah_1123]

Prisoner rescue option is broken right now (squad returns immediately).
You can get around it by raiding with prisoner rescue selected in details.

I didn't know this but I have sent raids with that option selected but they always fail, sometimes with a dwarf taking up a position at the pits.