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[scriver]

So I see, but I was arguing more against the article:

You Don't Deserve A Female James Bond Or A Lady Indiana Jones

Also I also enjoyed Tomb Raider (2013) (the game), I think it got a lot of undeserved criticism as "violence porn" and such.  Like I pointed out, she does become a legendary badass by the end.  However, I also understand people being leery of the series.  "She's not just big boobs like we've always advertised her as - now she's a mousy survivor who gets stabbed a lot!  Like, in amazing detail, also we're really proud of her ponytail physics!"

Unfortunate optics for an actually laudable attempt to bring the series into Current Year...

Yes, but the article isn't arguing that we don't deserve Lara Croft, it's saying we don't deserve a gender swapped Indiana Jones if we don't put up the money for Tomb Raiders and others like it that already feature original characters.

If you’re going to ignore the new Lara Croft movie, then you don’t deserve a female Indiana Jones flick. And if you turned your nose at Red Sparrow and Atomic Blonde, then you haven't really earned or justified a female James Bond franchise, either.

[hector13]

To be fair, the recent Tomb Raider movie was properly awful.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Not sure if I am in the majority here, but the vidja game reboot of Tomb Raider might be my favorite modern game/series now.

I got them on sale, and to me nothing else has ever done that whole... Indiana-Jones-esque thing where a hard-proof field scientist goes up against possibly supernatural forces thing quite as well. I'm bad at describing it, but it really, really nails that whole feel. The old Lucasarts adventure games had the same feel this does to me. I think she does Indiana Jones better than Indiana Jones.

She also starts out as a goddam archaeologist. Not like, ha ha I'm an archaeologist with a gun and a whip and 16 contacts in Mumbai, but like a "I've literally never fired a gun before" kind of person. Her transition from that to survivalist is rad as hell. At no point did I get a Mary Sue vibe from this game. Even at the end of the game I felt barely prepared to handle what was happening, but in a good way.

Also doggo is fukkin' terrifying. I admit there is a truly exorbitant number of environmental death scenes. Also, her bones must be made of adamantium with the amount of punishment she takes from various cutscenes/set pieces.

I will freely admit the first game of the newest series of the game was wonderful.  I cannot comment on the third, but they lost in the second completely as they had undone over 80% of her development in order to just merely redo it.  And they did it far, far worse, leaving her with less than half the development of the first game alone.

And how they treated the late Lord Croft.  Jesus christ.  You may not have seen the man in the first game, but just from how characters regarded him you could tell he was a dependable, loyal, good man.  Flashbacks of the second game?  An anger-ridden, pathetic man who did not care in the slightest about his daughter.

To use something somewhat related to the thread topic:



But, they fucked it up, and lost me.

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Anyway, I get the feeling we should move this derail to another thread.  There could be a fair amount of discussion stemming from this, and from what I can tell there is no Tomb Raider thread in other games...

[Dunamisdeos]

Well to get back on topic, I for one am looking forward to XI. I am hopeful that TLJ will be considered a divisive misstep and nothing more. My personal hopes are probably very vanilla. I want to see Rey have cool parents and Kylo was making shit up, or I at least need to be given some extremely credible reasoning for why she is apparently the Force-Messiah in terms of inexplicable super-skill. I think she has great potential as a character. I want to see Kylo become more competent and more importantly confident in his villainy. I don't want Snoke to come back. I want Leia to be given a decent send-off. If they make her CGI Leia that would be a bit of a dealbreaker for me.

Spoiler: TOMB RAIDER TOMB RAIDER TOMB RAIDER (click to show/hide)

Someone hasn't played the Croft Manor DLC.

Ties up the Lord Croft issues to my satisfaction. But I did like how Lara had a different perspective (for a time) on her father, it felt more authentic to have him regarded publicly as a hero but for his daughter to see his private failings.

I do agree they pulled a bit of a Metroid and sort of waved away almost everything she gained in the first game to make room for more stuff in the second. In looking at the trailers for 3, they seem to be letting her continue as an established badass.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Spoiler: TOMB RAIDER TOMB RAIDER TOMB RAIDER (click to show/hide)

Someone hasn't played the Croft Manor DLC.

Ties up the Lord Croft issues neatly.

I do agree they pulled a bit of a Metroid and sort of waved away almost everything she gained in the first game to make room for more stuff in the second. In looking at the trailers for 3, they seem to be letting her continue as an established badass.

Mate, I don't care.  With the sheer amount of media being released and the amount of history that exists in all mediums combined with behavior companies have explicitly shown to display, I have a simple ruleset I have developed.  Can even relate it to Disney Star Wars, at that.  If you want a name for it, I've nicknamed it the 'corporate greed test'.

1) If the first attempt is a complete shitshow, I will not even take a glance at the franchise.
----Logic: Isn't worth my time or money in the first place.
2) If the first attempt is good to spectacular, but the second attempt is horribly done, they have lost a customer for their tenure and nothing will win me back.
----Logic: The first attempt was merely a gamble.  The second tends to be far more guaranteed, and thereby demonstrates how much they truly care.
3) If the first attempt is good to spectacular, and the second attempt is just as good if not better, it is only times where I have little money to spare where I can't buy the thing or they consistently start doing bad enough that it finally shakes me off that I will not be supporting the thing.  Even then, I may be taken back in.
----Logic: With the second, they have demonstrated that they truly care about the product they are creating.

Sure, there is the chance I will miss out on some good things, but an absolute vast majority of the time, I will have ended up making the right decision.  And I will note, when there's a switch in what company is in charge, the rating is not preserved.

[Kagus]

Dude? It's probably a girl Mandalorian. At this stage they're in balls-deep and if they introduce a white male main character that's not going to end well for them. The ideal choice would be a pacific islander / maori-looking person but realistically they'd probably pick between a black male or white female.

Then they remove the helmet and reveal: Nelson Mandela Mandala

Played by Will Smith

Will Smith, who is in turn played by Samuel L. Jackson

[ChairmanPoo]

Dude? It's probably a girl Mandalorian. At this stage they're in balls-deep and if they introduce a white male main character that's not going to end well for them. The ideal choice would be a pacific islander / maori-looking person but realistically they'd probably pick between a black male or white female.

Then they remove the helmet and reveal: Nelson Mandela Mandala

Played by Will Smith

Will Smith, who is in turn played by Samuel L. Jackson

[Dunamisdeos]

Dude? It's probably a girl Mandalorian. At this stage they're in balls-deep and if they introduce a white male main character that's not going to end well for them. The ideal choice would be a pacific islander / maori-looking person but realistically they'd probably pick between a black male or white female.

Then they remove the helmet and reveal: Nelson Mandela Mandala

Played by Will Smith

Will Smith, who is in turn played by Samuel L. Jackson

Dubbed over by Morgan Freeman

[hector13]

Dude? It's probably a girl Mandalorian. At this stage they're in balls-deep and if they introduce a white male main character that's not going to end well for them. The ideal choice would be a pacific islander / maori-looking person but realistically they'd probably pick between a black male or white female.

Then they remove the helmet and reveal: Nelson Mandela Mandala

Played by Will Smith

Will Smith, who is in turn played by Samuel L. Jackson

Dubbed over by Morgan Freeman

The DVD extras include commentary by Laurence Fishburne.

[Dunamisdeos]

Saw Solo on Amazon for the first time. Genuinely enjoyed it. Really did not get any kind of Han Solo vibe except once or twice from the lead, but Lando was great.

[Telgin]

I watched it last night after renting it from a Redbox, and that's pretty much exactly how I felt about it.  I had low expectations going in, and wasn't disappointed as a result.  It didn't really do it for me for Han's character overall, but I did like Lando.

[RedKing]

I thought Solo was fun as hell. Right up there with Rogue One in terms of enjoyable Star Wars movies. Oddly, both often get called the "failures" of the franchise. I feel like there are people out there with a narrative to push that Disney is TEH SUCK and therefore anything they create is balls, and this gets wound into a media narrative even before the films are released.

And yeah, Donald Glover as Lando was fantastic. As was Han's halting attempts at Wookiee (and now we know why he doesn't ever try to speak it in any other movies).

Dude? It's probably a girl Mandalorian. At this stage they're in balls-deep and if they introduce a white male main character that's not going to end well for them. The ideal choice would be a pacific islander / maori-looking person but realistically they'd probably pick between a black male or white female.

Then they remove the helmet and reveal: Nelson Mandela Mandala

Played by Will Smith

Will Smith, who is in turn played by Samuel L. Jackson

Dubbed over by Morgan Freeman

The DVD extras include commentary by Laurence Fishburne.

Introduced by Chiwetel Ejiofor, who in turn is introduced by Chadwick Boseman.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Solo has a lot of problems, but IMO I think it's more enjoyable than TLJ... maybe TFA as well but... Solo did have a bunch of small bullshit that piled up. Also... Ron Howard has long said that Star Wars movies are basically just westerns, but now that he gets his hands on one... he almost completely botches the western element to it. Honestly, it feels more like a series of really good sequences that probably should all be their own film, than one good film.

[Dunamisdeos]

Spoiler: Solo spoiler opinions (click to show/hide)

I found freedom robot to be a bit one dimensional, if fun, and it seems contrived that they uploaded her (permanently? what? is she like, enslaved as a freighter comptroller for all eternity now? Isn't that an extremely special kind of hell for her?) into the Falcon.

Darth Maul got cut the hell in half and making it canon that he survived bisection via lightsaber and a fall into a bottomless pit is the kind of toy-pushing BS that eclipses even ewoks. But Darth Maul is also rad as hell, so ok. To be clear: This guy died, but this guy is totally fine.

Teras Kasi. I get that one! I get that reference [captain america.gif]

Kessel Run, actual droid revolution, sabacc scenes, basically every character was very enjoyable to me. I enjoyed Han even if he felt like not-Han, because the performance was genuinely enjoyable.

[Sirus]

Spoiler: Small response to the above (click to show/hide)

Maul surviving the events of Episode I has been canon for years now. He showed up in Rebels and I think one of the Clone Wars series.