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[Babel]

Are you sure that they're big enough, and that they have working hands?

the gremlins have working hands, as they can dig, and they're 2,500 cm^3, so they can wield the axe two-handed.

[Enemy post]

Sorry, it's hard to tell without more information. Can I see the gremlin raws, please?

[FantasticDorf]

What would happen if i overrided ther relative size of dwarf hands to make them disproportionate? For the purpose of having them hold larger objects like weapons in twohand, is this line of scientific query likely to work?

Are you sure that they're big enough, and that they have working hands?

the gremlins have working hands, as they can dig, and they're 2,500 cm^3, so they can wield the axe two-handed.

sounds like your gremlins need some height or broadness, because sole cubic modifiers mean that they're actually underneath the size they are without actually bringing down the requirement.

Mousekin example of a 4000 cubic sized race.

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   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
exerpt of mousekin body appearance modifiers that sets apart. The height differences of dwarves elves and goblins who all share exactly the same cubic height, but only barely fit into each other's clothes and even still can't handle all weapons humans possess is also determined by body appearance modifier.

[Babel]

Sorry, it's hard to tell without more information. Can I see the gremlin raws, please?

Oh yeah, sure.

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[CREATURE:GREMLIN]
   [DESCRIPTION:A small humanoid creature with a mischievous, toothy grin.]
   [NAME:gremlin:gremlins:gremlin]
   [CASTE_NAME:gremlin:gremlins:gremlin]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'g'][COLOR:2:0:1]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:1:3]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:1:1]
   [CAN_LEARN][CAN_SPEAK]
   [LOCKPICKER][TRAPAVOID][MISCHIEVOUS]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:SNEAK:3]
   [CANOPENDOORS]
   [STRANGE_MOODS]
   [CARNIVORE]
   [PREFSTRING:mischief]
   [PERSONALITY:EXCITEMENT_SEEKING:50:75:100]
   [PERSONALITY:CURIOUS:50:75:100]
   [PERSONALITY:HUMOR:50:75:100]
   [PERSONALITY:CRUELTY:50:75:100]
   [PERSONALITY:DISCORD:50:75:100]
   [PERSONALITY:ORDERLINESS:0:25:50]
   [PERSONALITY:DUTIFULNESS:0:25:50]
   [BODY:HUMANOID_NECK:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:5FINGERS:5TOES:MOUTH:TONGUE:FACIAL_FEATURES:TEETH:RIBCAGE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL:FRONT]
   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:NAIL:FRONT]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SWEAT:SWEAT_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:TEARS:TEARS_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SPIT:SPIT_TEMPLATE]
   [SECRETION:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SWEAT:LIQUID:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN:EXERTION]
   [SECRETION:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TEARS:LIQUID:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:ALL:EXTREME_EMOTION]
   [CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]
      [CDI:ADV_NAME:Spit]
      [CDI:USAGE_HINT:NEGATIVE_SOCIAL_RESPONSE]
      [CDI:USAGE_HINT:TORMENT]
      [CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SPIT:LIQUID_GLOB]
      [CDI:VERB:spit:spits:NA]
      [CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
      [CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:15]
      [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
      [CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:30]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:500]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:168:2500]
   [BODY_SIZE:12:0:10000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]
      [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]
      [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]
   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CLOSE_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DEEP_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:ROUND_VS_NARROW:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:LIP]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:THICKNESS:50:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:lips:PLURAL]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:150:190]
   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:NOSE]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:UPTURNED:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CONVEX:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:nose bridge:SINGULAR]
   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EAR]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SPLAYED_OUT:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HANGING_LOBES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:GAPS:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:100:100:100:100:100:100] for vampires
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:1000]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:SKULL]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HIGH_CHEEKBONES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROAD_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:JUTTING_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SQUARE_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DEEP_VOICE:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:RASPY_VOICE:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]
         [APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:91:94:98:102:106:109]
   [MAXAGE:800:1000]
   [ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
   [ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:STANCE]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
   [ATTACK:SCRATCH:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:GRASP:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:scratch:scratches]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
   [ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [BABY:1]
[GENERAL_BABY_NAME:gremlin baby:gremlin babies]
   [BABYNAME:gremlin baby:gremlin babies]
   [CHILD:12]
   [GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:gremlin child:gremlin children]
   [CHILDNAME:gremlin child:gremlin children]
   [EQUIPS]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [SMELL_TRIGGER:10]
   [LOW_LIGHT_VISION:10000]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:CRAFTSMAN:craftsgrem:craftsgrems]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:FISHERMAN:fishergrem:fishergrems]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:HAMMERMAN:whackgrem:whackgrems]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:SPEARMAN:stabgrem:stabgrems]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:CROSSBOWMAN:shotgrem:shotgrems]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:AXEMAN:chopgrem:chopgrems]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:SWORDSMAN:slashgrem:slashgrems]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:MACEMAN:smashgrem:smashgrems]
   [PROFESSION_NAME:MASTER_CROSSBOWMAN:Elite shotgrem:Elite shotgrems]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:711:521:293:1900:2900] 30 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
   [SWIMS_LEARNED]
   [MANNERISM_FINGERS:finger:fingers]
   [MANNERISM_NOSE:nose]
   [MANNERISM_EAR:ear]
   [MANNERISM_HEAD:head]
   [MANNERISM_EYES:eyes]
   [MANNERISM_MOUTH:mouth]
   [MANNERISM_LIPS:lips]
   [MANNERISM_CHEEK:cheek]
   [MANNERISM_NAILS:nails]
   [MANNERISM_FEET:feet]
   [MANNERISM_ARMS:arms]
   [MANNERISM_HANDS:hands]
   [MANNERISM_TONGUE:tongue]
   [MANNERISM_LEG:leg]
   [MANNERISM_LAUGH]
   [MANNERISM_SMILE]
   [MANNERISM_WALK]
   [MANNERISM_SIT]
   [MANNERISM_BREATH]
   [MANNERISM_POSTURE]
   [MANNERISM_STRETCH]
   [MANNERISM_EYELIDS]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
      [MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
      [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_TYPE:LOWERBODY][BP_ADD_TYPE:GELDABLE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:LIME:1:YELLOW_GREEN:1:DARK_OLIVE:1:GREEN_YELLOW:1:CHARTREUSE:1:FERN_GREEN:1:MOSS_GREEN:1:GREEN:1:MINT_GREEN:1:EMERALD:1:SEA_GREEN:1:SPRING_GREEN:1:DARK_GREEN:1:JADE:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
            [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PUPIL_EYE_GOLDENROD:1:PUPIL_EYE_AMBER:1:PUPIL_EYE_SAFFRON:1:PUPIL_EYE_GOLD:1:PUPIL_EYE_BUFF:1:PUPIL_EYE_FLAX:1:PUPIL_EYE_BRASS:1:PUPIL_EYE_GOLDEN_YELLOW:1:PUPIL_EYE_LEMON:1:PUPIL_EYE_OLIVE:1:PUPIL_EYE_YELLOW:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

[Enemy post]

I tried out your gremlins. They were able to cut down trees for me, although I did notice that the attack on the hatchet is written improperly and fixed it before I tried them out. That might be the cause of the issue.

The original raw says [ATTACK:EDGE:2000:6000:hack:hacks:1250], but it's missing NO_SUB. It should say [ATTACK:EDGE:2000:6000:hack:hacks:NO_SUB:1250].

Also, did you delete the original gremlins? I forgot to do that at first and had issues with duped raws until I got rid of them.

One last thing - GREEN_YELLOW in their color modifiers doesn't work. It needs to be GREEN-YELLOW in that particular case for some reason.

[Babel]

I tried out your gremlins. They were able to cut down trees for me, although I did notice that the attack on the hatchet is written improperly and fixed it before I tried them out. That might be the cause of the issue.

The original raw says [ATTACK:EDGE:2000:6000:hack:hacks:1250], but it's missing NO_SUB. It should say [ATTACK:EDGE:2000:6000:hack:hacks:NO_SUB:1250].

Putting NO_SUB in there did fix it! Thanks, I probably wouldn't have noticed that.

One last thing - GREEN_YELLOW in their color modifiers doesn't work. It needs to be GREEN-YELLOW in that particular case for some reason.

Wow, that's really confusing. Fixed that too.

[Enemy post]

You're welcome, I hope you enjoy your mod!

Interesting that breaking the axe's attack broke the treechopping. I wonder if the dwarves are actually "attacking" the tree in some way.

[Babel]

You're welcome, I hope you enjoy your mod!

Interesting that breaking the axe's attack broke the treechopping. I wonder if the dwarves are actually "attacking" the tree in some way.

I imagine that it's just checking it has an attack and the ax skill before it chops down the tree, or an edge attack specifically. Don't think you could chop down a tree with a weapon that only has blunt attacks.
well, you could, but that might take a while.

[Rekov]

When defining the appearance of custom workshops, I've basically been trying to figure everything out from the two examples in building_custom.

I'm not sure what the symbols that aren't specific tile numbers are. I gather that ' ' means the tile just shows whatever is beneath it. What do '/' and '-' mean exactly?

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

*-snip-* What do '/' and '-' mean exactly?

basically a shortcut to the tile location for the symbol for / and - respectively. normally when you wrap something in single quotes for tiles, it tells the game to try to parse that as the respecting tile/ascii char

so '*' would render the * character (unless a tileset changed what * looks tile)

[Mathel]

You're welcome, I hope you enjoy your mod!

Interesting that breaking the axe's attack broke the treechopping. I wonder if the dwarves are actually "attacking" the tree in some way.

I imagine that it's just checking it has an attack and the ax skill before it chops down the tree, or an edge attack specifically. Don't think you could chop down a tree with a weapon that only has blunt attacks.
well, you could, but that might take a while.

I just tried an +<<+apricot wood training axe+>>+ on a maple tree.

Result was You need to be holding an axe with a sharp edge.

So yes, the axe does need to be sharp.

[Eric Blank]

Tried that last night in adventure mode too. Thought it was terribly convenient there was a training axe lyig around in the keep since I needed to cut a tree. It was a ruse.

Funny because iirc fort mode allows training axes just fine. Hence dismantling the starting wagon to build a carpenters shop to make an axe in no item challenges.

[Nahere]

Funny because iirc fort mode allows training axes just fine. Hence dismantling the starting wagon to build a carpenters shop to make an axe in no item challenges.

(*) Stopped woodcutters from using axes without edges (like training axes)

[FantasticDorf]

Obsidian is sharp enough to cut trees with, its more ideal if you embark with the stones (or otherwise generate/obtain them) to make a axe with, or at a stretch a pickaxe (which it wont affect how good it is at being used but a sharp pick is more preferable for its slashing attacks)

Here's one I made earlier.

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[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CRUDE_AXE_BATTLE]
[NAME:battle axe:battle axes]
[ADJECTIVE:crude]
[SIZE:800]
[SKILL:AXE]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[TRAINING]
[ATTACK:EDGE:40000:6000:hack:hacks:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:40000:6000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[CAN_STONE]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CRUDE_PICK]
[NAME:pick:picks]
[ADJECTIVE:crude]
[SIZE:500]
[SKILL:MINING]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:4000:strike:strikes:NO_SUB:2000]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[CAN_STONE]
[TRAINING]

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[REACTION:MAKE_CRUDE_PICK]
[NAME:Make crude obsidian pick]
[BUILDING:CRAFTSMAN:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WOOD:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[REAGENT:B:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:OBSIDIAN]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CRUDE_PICK:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:B:NONE]
[SKILL:WOODCRAFT]

[REACTION:MAKE_CRUDE_AXE_BATTLE]
[NAME:Make crude obsidian battle axe]
[BUILDING:CRAFTSMAN:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WOOD:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[REAGENT:B:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:OBSIDIAN]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CRUDE_AXE_BATTLE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:B:NONE]
[SKILL:WOODCRAFT]

[Arcvasti]

I've just recently been inspired to work on my very unfinished 0.34 mod again, but would like to know what needs to be updated to port it to 0.44. I looked through the modding forum, but couldn't find anything on this somehow, even though I'm sure there have been threads about it.