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[Fatace]

Not sure, I actually checked wiki on those tags to see if it said anything extra but nothing was found..

BUT It does make me curious, so within the following days after I finish up a few things, I will test this out to see if that's the reason to make them spawn. Will test this first with humans, then dark fortress/tree civs after it it works with humans.

[Fatace]

Well.. just after 1 test...

I added [SETTLEMENT_BIOME:ANY_FOREST] ect. to the humans, they still spawned normal, the tags I had for this didn't effect the [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_FOREST:2] for it.. so even with more biomes in settlement biome, it didn't want to spawn outside the normal biome support.. but anyway..

After 1 test, with humans.. after Spring ended, soon after as summer started, a cave nearby with a different Civ living in it became economic with me... Idk. Then my Outpost Liaison showed up and was like "Hi would you like to have barony now?"

I don't even have a mayor lol.

Going to continue to explore this...

[thefriendlyhacker]

Allcaps edition? Okay.

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After 1 test, with humans.. after Spring ended, soon after as summer started, a cave nearby with a different Civ living in it became economic with me... Idk.
...

I have seen this plenty of times in a mod with a much larger number of cave civilizations (despite never seeing a normal economic settlement). You probably just embarked near a Kobold cave.

[Fatace]

Yeah, after about a year, finally got a mayor, but I stopped for now because im currently busy, but the Civ in the cave isn't kobold, its just another Town/Hamlet Civ that lives within it. But besides that I havn't gotten any more settlements yet after a year and a half. Although most of my playthroughs usually take 2-4 years before settlements show up.

[Teneb]

Does anyone know what [FEATURE_ATTACK_GROUP] actually does? I know it's present on underground animalpeople, but that's it. Is it a requirement for them to appear in those little camps and nothing else?

[Eric Blank]

No, its defunct since the caverns were released at least. It used to make them appear out of chasms and underground rivers to attack your fort on occasion

[Teneb]

No, its defunct since the caverns were released at least. It used to make them appear out of chasms and underground rivers to attack your fort on occasion

Should we update the wiki, then?

[Eric Blank]

I thought it already said something to that effect, didnt it?

No, apparently it just lists where its found. That doesnt make sense. Yeah, then it should at least say it does nothing.

[Dunmeris]

Is there a way to make civs more likely to go to war without having some civs just be arbitrarily evil or babysnatchers or item thieves? Is there any conceivable way to simulate things like holy wars or just petty wars over territory or honor or other realistic mundane shit?

[Putnam]

All sorts of realistic mundane shit happen all the time normally, just due to ethics or values differences or territory disputes or whatever. People like to force things because I Don't Know They Think This Is A Game

[Dunmeris]

Not often enough. Except for inter-group warfare between different groups within civs that have KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER set to anything more acceptable than JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON.

[TomiTapio]

Is there a way to make civs more likely to go to war without having some civs just be arbitrarily evil or babysnatchers or item thieves? Is there any conceivable way to simulate things like holy wars or just petty wars over territory or honor or other realistic mundane shit?

Looks like OldGenesis centaurs are reliably at war with dwarves, even without babysnatcher tag. Yeah they're set to evil_shit.  Ethics declaration:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

   [ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:PUNISH_EXILE]
   [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:REQUIRED]
   [ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
   [ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PERSONAL_MATTER]
   [ETHIC:LYING:PERSONAL_MATTER]
   [ETHIC:VANDALISM:REQUIRED]
   [ETHIC:TRESPASSING:REQUIRED]
   [ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:ASSAULT:PERSONAL_MATTER]
   [ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
   [VALUE:LAW:-5]
   [VALUE:LOYALTY:7]
   [VALUE:FAMILY:9]
   [VALUE:FRIENDSHIP:25]
   [VALUE:POWER:50]
   [VALUE:TRUTH:-10] lies are good
   [VALUE:CUNNING:15] herd politics = cunning
   [VALUE:ELOQUENCE:-10]
   [VALUE:FAIRNESS:40]
   [VALUE:DECORUM:15]
   [VALUE:TRADITION:45]
   [VALUE:ARTWORK:-10]
   [VALUE:COOPERATION:15]
   [VALUE:INDEPENDENCE:-15]
   [VALUE:STOICISM:30]
   [VALUE:KNOWLEDGE:-15]
   [VALUE:INTROSPECTION:-30]
   [VALUE:SELF_CONTROL:0]
   [VALUE:TRANQUILITY:15]
   [VALUE:HARMONY:30]
   [VALUE:MERRIMENT:30]
   [VALUE:CRAFTSMANSHIP:0]
   [VALUE:MARTIAL_PROWESS:15]
   [VALUE:SKILL:10]
   [VALUE:HARD_WORK:-15]
   [VALUE:SACRIFICE:40] for the herd!
   [VALUE:COMPETITION:0]
   [VALUE:PERSEVERANCE:-15] flighty
   [VALUE:LEISURE_TIME:20]
   [VALUE:COMMERCE:0]
   [VALUE:ROMANCE:30]
   [VALUE:NATURE:30]
   [VALUE:PEACE:5]

[Teneb]

Here's a chart on the wiki detailing how ethics interact

However, the "faction" system created by the presence or absence of BABYSNATCHER and ITEM_THIEF is far more reliable when it comes to creating conflict.

[Eric Blank]

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=22151.msg240207#msg240207

This post details which ethics actually count towards starting wars.
The personality of the leaders also affects this somehow, but i havent seen details about whats important there. But if your monarch/whoever can declare wars is required to be of a caste (or species as a whole) with consistently the right personality to start wars, they should be more likely to do so.

[TheFlame52]

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=22151.msg240207#msg240207

This post details which ethics actually count towards starting wars.
The personality of the leaders also affects this somehow, but i havent seen details about whats important there. But if your monarch/whoever can declare wars is required to be of a caste (or species as a whole) with consistently the right personality to start wars, they should be more likely to do so.

I did some research on this a while back, but either I never posted my results or it's buried so deep I can't find it. I asked Toady One what traits affected declarations of war, then jacked those traits up to max in every race. The result was a world so warlike that even civs of the same race would attack each other.