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[Draignean]

Rush "Belt" Spires: (2) Madman198237, Milo
Rush the Unfinished, take homeside demispire: (2) Tack, NUKE9.13

You people seem to be under the impression that the first person to a spire immediately conquers the whole thing, and gets a massive defensive bonus. I'm pretty sure that's not the case, and that it will take 4 turns to conquer an uncontested spire. If that is the case, then yes, rushing the middle makes sense. If it isn't, we only lose one turn's worth of progress by attacking the middle adjacent demi-spire, and gain a guaranteed 6 ore one turn earlier.

Draignean: Sorry to bother you. Does occupying an uncontested spire conquer it immediately, or does it take 4 turns?

Conquering a Spire, any spire, can only be done by one unit of territory at a time. During that time soldiers are clearing out hostile flora and fauna, disabling traps and roadblocks left by retreating enemy forces, and setting up the infrastructure needed to send resources back to the home Spire.

Spires with extremely hostile conditions may resist human contact as though they were garrisoned by a limited enemy force.

So, in essence, the earliest you'll have another spire is the year 356.

[Madman198237]

I'd go with ONLY using one die to finish the suppressor. If we do anything but that, we should throw TWO dice at it because otherwise our fire support is at risk.

After that, while I STILL don't really like the idea of producing a crappy second-rate transport, using THAT for securing local demispires allows us to double up troops on the middle spires for as long as we want. Sheesh the thread moved along here.

Projects:
1 die into Cloudrunner, 1 die into Suppressor (7 Wood, 1 Ore): (2) NUKE9.13, Nirur
1 Die for Suppressor Progress (1 Wood): (1) Madman198237

New Designs:
None: (3) NUKE9.13, Nirur, Madman

Did somebody do the full math for using a nerfed transport? Because I did all the math for 2 regular transports plus JUST 4 squads' worth of swords a while back, and making one does not seem to check out with making a small transport like that.
Alright, I found it. Looks OK, though we're risking a lot with our limited Ore production. Alright, whatever the safest homeside demi-spire is. It can't have any creatures or our marines will be unable to do anything about it.

[Jilladilla]

Projects:
1 die into Cloudrunner, 1 die into Suppressor (7 Wood, 1 Ore): (2) NUKE9.13, Nirur
1 die into Cloudrunner, 2 dice into Suppressor (8 wood, 1 Ore): (1) Jilladilla
1 Die for Suppressor Progress (1 Wood): (1) Madman 198237
New Designs:
None: (4) NUKE9.13, Nirur, Madman198237, Jilladilla

Alright, my reasoning is simple, we are rushing at least one belt spire are we not? Best to absolutely ensure our guys get equipped, and the crossbow is just better than our unreliable guns and potentially won't be able to be defended against like the Aether Gauntlet can (unless they designed body armor of course, but wouldn't armor that covered a large amount of the body be hard on their ore?)

Sure, we can deploy a single fire-team worth of crossbows even if we finish... But that isn't that much...

(Also Madman, note that my plan does leave a lot of wood leftover (Plan Here, note the Budget section), if we're worried about hostile wildlife we can hand out a few crossbows for our local spire claiming forces)

(PS, Madman, a 'budget' transport using a VS Itshana Select Core Crystal costs 7c 7o 7w 2s. (Basically 3 less crystal, 3 more ore compared to a normal transport))

[milo christiansen]

I guess I don't care strongly enough about any of the proposals to vote. I think I'll refrain unless a tiebreaker is needed.

[Draignean]

I'm putting together a ruleset clarification for the core thread (basically a summary of the questions from the Spire threads in bullet form, purging information that would tip a team's tactics), but one note in particular from the Kasgyre thread stands out.

If you overspend dice and resources on a project (i.e, you pay resources to roll dice to advance a project twice, but the first roll completes the project) you lose the excess resources spent- BUT you gain the extra dice back in the revision phase.

Sorry, this came up before, but your thread moves so bloody quickly that I didn't catch it until review.

[NUKE9.13]

uwot mate
...
Well, changing my vote to spending two dice on the suppressor, then. Losing 1 wood is nothing to all-but guarantee success. (inb4 we roll snake-eyes)

Projects:
1 die into Cloudrunner, 1 die into Suppressor (7 Wood, 1 Ore): (1) Nirur
1 die into Cloudrunner, 2 dice into Suppressor (8 wood, 1 Ore): (2) Jilladilla, NUKE9.13
1 Die for Suppressor Progress (1 Wood): (1) Madman 198237
New Designs:
None: (4) NUKE9.13, Nirur, Madman198237, Jilladilla

[Jilladilla]

I'm putting together a ruleset clarification for the core thread (basically a summary of the questions from the Spire threads in bullet form, purging information that would tip a team's tactics), but one note in particular from the Kasgyre thread stands out.

If you overspend dice and resources on a project (i.e, you pay resources to roll dice to advance a project twice, but the first roll completes the project) you lose the excess resources spent- BUT you gain the extra dice back in the revision phase.

Sorry, this came up before, but your thread moves so bloody quickly that I didn't catch it until review.

....OK GUYS LET'S GUARANTEE THE SUPPRESSOR NOW!
1 wood per die is nothing to our wood stockpile! (Draignean. You. Are. Awesome.)

[Madman198237]

Well it's winning anyway, so I won't trouble myself to grab the votebox. That said, I am in favor of 2 dice on the suppressor, and forgot to ask that question...several times now.

[milo christiansen]

So, I guess that's settled. Onwards! (Once Kasgyre gets around)

[Madman198237]

Alright, to clarify: We only get ONE revision, right Draig? Even if we have multiple dice?

[milo christiansen]

One revision per item. If we wanted we could revise 5 items per turn. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it is...

[Nirur Torir]

Question: If we overspend dice on a new design's initial progress, are they refunded too?

....OK GUYS LET'S GUARANTEE THE SUPPRESSOR NOW!
1 wood per die is nothing to our wood stockpile! (Draignean. You. Are. Awesome.)

You say that, but ..

Projects:
1 die into Cloudrunner, 1 die into Suppressor (7 Wood, 1 Ore):
1 die into Cloudrunner, 2 dice into Suppressor (8 wood, 1 Ore): (2) Jilladilla, NUKE9.13
1 die into Cloudrunner, 3 dice into Suppressor (9 wood, 1 Ore): (1) Nirur
1 Die for Suppressor Progress (1 Wood): (1) Madman 198237
New Designs:
None: (4) NUKE9.13, Nirur, Madman198237, Jilladilla

I'd really like to revise a production pattern with select crystals. It should help greatly with both combat and hunting down retreating ships. If it cuts down our line's numbers too much, we don't have to use it and it's useful knowledge for the future.

[milo christiansen]

Would it be possible to revise the skyskiff production pattern with a select shroud crystal? That would greatly enhance their survivability, and ships produced from a pattern/line are free!

We would only get 2 refitted/replaced per turn, but still. Massive Improvement!

Can a production pattern be revised? And if so, are the existing items refitted rather than scrapping the old and building new?

Free ships with select crystals at the cost of 1 die? Yes please!

[Nirur Torir]

If we revise it now, we get the revised line filled out free, if we use it.

[milo christiansen]

Hmm, true. We need to revise the skyskiff line no matter what then. Answers to my questions will still be nice for later in the game.