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[MrRoboto75]

Get a load of this guy

mansplaining the pronunciation of femblaming.

[smjjames]

Or to make this even more absurd, childsplaning x for adultblaming.

I think we can all agree that calling anything <insert noun>splaining is absurd, right?

[MrRoboto75]

Typically I hate it when man is in front of any word.  "Man cave" or "manscaping" for example.

[smjjames]

Typically I hate it when man is in front of any word.  "Man cave" or "manscaping" for example.

manhattan?

manchester?

[Neonivek]

The term originally came up to express the common occurrence of being talked down to because your a woman.

The problem was when the term was appropriated beyond its original intent.

When has it actually been a common occurrence, though? The word has only really existed since 2008. And the evidence for such an occurrence being "common" or even frequent at all in the West in the last 10-15 years seems to be anecdotal at best.

You are two steps ahead of the term, you need to take a few steps back.

Ok you are a woman and you are cheesed off because some guy just explained how a bike works in a rather annoying tone. You are chatting with friends and they share their own stories so jokingly you call it mansplaining. This is the thinking around its birth MOSTLY (it is more complicated but... yeah)

Its origin WAS anecdotal and was largely not political.

In fact the common "Origin" of Mansplain (though not where the word itself was used) was where a author had her own book explained to her by a man.

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As for not being a common occurrence before the 2000s... Maaaybe I should find a little movie that is made entirely in the tone of mansplaining. (unless you mean use of the word. Because its use is VERY recent. If you mean actions that fall under its definition we could probably find something in antiquity)

Also goodness I found another definition which is: "For a man to explain something to a woman in a disrespectful or condescending in a way CONSIDERED to be so"

[smjjames]

Also goodness I found another definition which is: "For a man to explain something to a woman in a disrespectful or condescending in a way CONSIDERED to be so"

I think that was the original meaning, either that or "a man trying to explain to a woman how a womans body works or trying to explain to a woman something about women, usually in a way that is factually wrong and/or disrespectful/condescending". Then it just sort of became whatever the heck people want it to mean.

And yeah, it's use is pretty recent, kind of popped up around the same time the term SJW started becoming prominent I think.

[Reelya]

I think one of the general usages now boils down "man had opinion, but he was wrong".

e.g. it's now used for times a man disagreed with a woman, but the woman ended up being right. Assuming either gender is just as likely to be correct in any argument, then that would apply to 50% of disagreements between men and women.

So the evidence is websites where they amass "time a man was wrong" anecdotes, but ... can you imagine the hell to pay if there was a similar one "silly women get it wrong, are adamant that they are right, there's no talking to them". I mean, i've had this quite a bit. I have a computer science degree, i've had more than one woman femsplain computer related stuff to me, and been very hostile to me pointing out commonly known facts. Depends on the woman, but with some, you learn to not bother correcting them. How are they different to a mansplainer at all?

[smjjames]

I think one of the general usages now boils down "man had opinion, but he was wrong".

e.g. it's now used for times a man disagreed with a woman, but the woman ended up being right. Assuming either gender is just as likely to be correct in any argument, then that would apply to 50% of disagreements between men and women.

Tell that to Lord Shonus and the incident that he had where he (or some colleague of his) was telling a woman to stop doing something to an expensive casino machine because she was goinhg to break it and the woman yelled "DON'T/STOP MANSPLAIN(ING) TO ME!". Lord Shonus didn't give any further details (due to confidentiality issues), but I assume that the person broke the machine.

Not sure how common that usage is, but it's also become a way to just shut down conversation, as has been mentioned earlier in the thread.

[Reelya]

Bringing up some failed manblaming might be fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sUGnQlPDmU

Manslamming. Apparently men never alter their trajectory because macho men never make room on the sidewalk so they slam into each other and everything. People bumping into each other is now manslamming.

The original "evidence" of manslamming was a video where an activist charged down the street and basically rammed men, then said "look i ran into more men than women, teh evil sexist menz didn't get out of my way!". Which doesn't sound extremely scientific. Other people have tried to replicate the findings and haven't been able to.

[smjjames]

Bringing up some failed manblaming might be fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sUGnQlPDmU

Manslamming. Apparently men never alter their trajectory because macho men never make room on the sidewalk so they slam into each other and everything. People bumping into each other is now manslamming.

The original "evidence" of manslamming was a video where an activist charged down the street and basically rammed men, then said "look i ran into more men than women, teh evil sexist menz didn't get out of my way!". Which doesn't sound extremely scientific. Other people have tried to replicate the findings and haven't been able to.

Lolz. Just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is. I suppose reproducing it would require intentionally avoiding women and intentionally bumping into men, while the scientific way is to do it the way the reporter did.

[Reelya]

Yeah the clear fault in the argument is that if you look at the original person she claimed that she "decided to spend a couple of months walking like a man" and ran into tons of men.

https://www.thecut.com/2015/01/manslamming-manspreading-microaggressions.html

symptoms of a culture that teaches men to self-assuredly occupy any and all space available to them, regardless of who’s nearby.
...
Instead of automatically moving out of the way for people in her path, she would spend some time taking a more masculine approach to city living. She would stride confidently in whatever direction she chose, refusing to alter her route for anyone, male or female.
...
On one particularly eventful instance in early January, every single man who came across her path on the stretch of narrow East Village sidewalk between the N train and her sister’s apartment smacked right into her, she says.

I mean seriously. This is clearly bullshit. If she's taking a "masculine" approach to walking and ramming literally every guy in the street, and 100% of guys (the stated claim) do not make room for anyone male or female then men ramming into each other must happen at an equal rate. e.g. just a walk down the street would be like antelopes butting horns constantly.

- also note her definition of manslamming was when she ran into a guy but he didn't vocalize something "excuse me" or "i'm sorry". But ... perhaps the men were aware of how rude she was acting and decided not to respond. if some angry looking girl barrels into you and keeps walking, what's the correct response?

[MrRoboto75]

if some angry looking girl barrels into you and keeps walking, what's the correct response?

Self-Flagellation in a feeble attempt to cleanse oneself of being born with the filth of the Y chromosome?

[Sheb]

Unlike men usually assume women will step aside, but not other men? In that case, yeah, she didn't "walk like a men" by that definition but is that the important thing?

[Virtz]

More seriously, it is a rather common occurence? I mean, just ask any woman you know I guess?

"This appears to be based strictly on anecdotal evidence."
"Well, maybe this anecdotal evidence you'd have to gather yourself will convince you."
 

The term originally came up to express the common occurrence of being talked down to because your a woman.

The problem was when the term was appropriated beyond its original intent.

When has it actually been a common occurrence, though? The word has only really existed since 2008. And the evidence for such an occurrence being "common" or even frequent at all in the West in the last 10-15 years seems to be anecdotal at best.

You are two steps ahead of the term, you need to take a few steps back.

Ok you are a woman and you are cheesed off because some guy just explained how a bike works in a rather annoying tone. You are chatting with friends and they share their own stories so jokingly you call it mansplaining. This is the thinking around its birth MOSTLY (it is more complicated but... yeah)

Its origin WAS anecdotal and was largely not political.

In fact the common "Origin" of Mansplain (though not where the word itself was used) was where a author had her own book explained to her by a man.

Well, then, as a writer you're going to experience that a lot thanks to "death of the author" regardless of gender, yours or theirs. We had a thing in my country where a modern author took a literary test on their own book and nearly failed. It was a guy.

And the term still just comes off as incredibly self-centered and sexist. Every other person I encounter IRL talks to me in a manner that could be perceived as condescending (usually when they're trying to sell me something). I could very easily cherry pick some social group out of them and claim it's a common occurrence among them.

As for not being a common occurrence before the 2000s... Maaaybe I should find a little movie that is made entirely in the tone of mansplaining. (unless you mean use of the word. Because its use is VERY recent. If you mean actions that fall under its definition we could probably find something in antiquity)

Also goodness I found another definition which is: "For a man to explain something to a woman in a disrespectful or condescending in a way CONSIDERED to be so"

I didn't say it was never a common occurrence before the 2000s (I don't doubt it was at some point in the 1900s and earlier). I actually said the opposite. That the word has only existed in a period where it's not really applicable anymore, and it's not being used in a historical context to describe past attitudes, but rather to attribute a certain behaviour based on gender alone.

[Cthulhu]

Well what are you supposed to do when you're born top late to fight for women's suffrage? 

Personally I'm against women's suffrage and everyone else's too