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[Aseaheru]

Ring bayonets. Allright, dont really have to deal wit that until we get a shorter main arm.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

What revision are you all going for?  Wanting to keep the phases simultaneous due to phase 3, and the Generals are largely done with theirs.

[origamiscienceguy]

I'm for better bayonets

[Aseaheru]

 Currently we have:
-Experiment with rifling
-breachloader conversion of musket
-Muzzleloading rifle thanks to minié balls
-tie swords to muskets(made pre-confirmation that like any sane army with Calvary about we have bayonets)
-Something something bayonet improvement something?

 For clarification, I vote for Breachloader conversion of musket. The tech is out there(granted, jsut being worked on now, wow, I thought we where starting a little alter than this), minie balls dont increase rate of fire, just effective range, and ya still have to stand still with them when loading.

[3_14159]

For clarification, I vote for Breachloader conversion of musket. The tech is out there(granted, jsut being worked on now, wow, I thought we where starting a little alter than this), minie balls dont increase rate of fire, just effective range, and ya still have to stand still with them when loading.

Yeah, let's go with that.

[Happerry]

For clarification, I vote for Breachloader conversion of musket. The tech is out there(granted, jsut being worked on now, wow, I thought we where starting a little alter than this), minie balls dont increase rate of fire, just effective range, and ya still have to stand still with them when loading.

Yeah, let's go with that.

+1 from me.

[origamiscienceguy]

I'd say that would be a difficult task, but let's give it a go.

[Aseaheru]

 With four votes, posting revision again so Zan spends less time looking for it.

 

Spoiler: Imperial Breachloading Rifle-conversion (click to show/hide)

Imperial Breach-Loading Rifle

The Imperial breach-loading rifle is a cap-and-ball design wherein the breach is designed to be able to pivot upwards when the "bolt"(a sliding block that when closing cams forward the breachblock and prevents it from being raised) is rotated open and allowing the breachblock to pivot upwards, allowing one of our soldiers to reload a far shorter length of barrel, but is otherwise outwardly identical to the standard Imperial Musket. However, thanks to the bypassing of the barrel, the gun is fitted with a rifled insert possessing seven sets of lands and valleys, each going to a depth of four points(a total diameter, valley to rise, of five lines, four points); and the breach is similarly sized for a bullet measuring five-and-a-half lines in diameter.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Spoiler: Imperial Breach-Loading Rifle (click to show/hide)

Imperial Breach-Loading Rifle

The Imperial breach-loading rifle is a cap-and-ball design wherein the breach is designed to be able to pivot upwards when the "wedge" is lifted from the front, allowing one of our soldiers to reload a far shorter length of barrel, but is otherwise identical to the standard Imperial Musket. However, thanks to the bypassing of the barrel, the gun is fitted with a rifled sleve posessing seven sets of lands and valleys, each going to a depth of four points(a total diameter, valley to rise, of five lines, four points); and the breach is similarly sized for a bullet measuring five-and-a-half lines.

Result: 5 (Impossible (Very Hard+Revision))

A number of tests are performed into various rifling and breech-loading methods based upon limited information coming from Western European and American sources.  A practical design for troop deployment is not created, but enough information is gained from sending for information and their own tests that future implementation will be easier.


A messenger has arrived with a request from the Military Command.

To the Engineers of the Weapons Design Corps,

We need a new infantry weapon to replace our old muskets. We request that this new weapon to not only have an increased range and accuracy, but also have a rate of fire of equal or greater than our current gun. Additionally this new gun must still be able to attach a bayonet for use in close quarters fighting.

Signed,
The Generals of the Military Command

[NAV]

Well lads, let's give the breech-loader another try now that we understand it better. Seems to be exactly what they want.

I think it will be hard. We can go for just breech loading or just rifling if we want normal difficulty. They value range and accuracy over rate of fire so rifling the musket seems like the better idea.

[origamiscienceguy]

I say we give it another go, focusing more on the breech loading. Faster rate of fire seems more important than accuracy.

[NAV]

No, the generals said that it must have better range and accuracy, and rate of fire is a secondary priority. Therefor we should focus on rifling exclusively. If we try both rifling and breech loading again theres a high chance we will have nothing to show.

[Aseaheru]

 yer first comment on the breachloader and what the generals want seems to contradict itself.

 Anyways, I say work on the breachloader conversion again. It is what the generals want, afterall.

[Chiefwaffles]

...but it's not what they want.

They very explicitly want range and accuracy over rate of fire.

[Aseaheru]

 Which is done with rifling. They also want better-or-same rate of fire.

 So, to break it down, they want:
-New infantry arm replacing muskets(AKA, anything there, but with all things it helps if we can convert over to something else with them)
-Better accuracy+range(rifle the silly thing)
-ROF equal or greater than current(Breachloader(for hopefully increased) or minie balls(for same speed, also would be done totally blind, since the breachloader revision skipped them))
-Still be able to use bayonet(which is sane, unless we can get up to, say, 10-15 rounds per minute Calvary or even infantry charges can get inside range easily between shots. And even then, bayonets are too useful to discard)

 The breachloading rifled conversion handles each of those points easily. Im worried slightly about them getting slightly pissed about the rounds leaving holes two lines smaller than before, but they did want range and accuracy out of these things. Plus, well, seven lines is a tad insane in a musket, letalone a rifle.