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[Gwolfski]

Go with the rifling.

[Aseaheru]

 Yes, I do have nothing else to do but lurk, awaiting posts. Anyways:

Current suggestions for design are as follows:
-Breachloading rifle conversion again
-Just rifle the musket


 On the "just rifle the thing" front, any plans for how to engage the rifling? Minieball is about the only way I can think of that wouldn't hurt RoF, but its also a dead-end tech.

[Chiefwaffles]

Can we take advantage of our experience with breechloading and just do Breechloading Minié ball with breech loading? I mean, if we did breech loading in a revision we could probably finalize that revision and work towards rifling.

I don't see your aversion to Minié balls, though? From what I've seen they're just a notable stepping stone from balls to actual bullets. From there we can develop actual bullets later.

[Happerry]

Going for Breachloading sounds good to me. No real opinion on the Minié ball argument though.

[Aseaheru]

 They arent really needed in anything other than muzzleloaders, the whole point of them being just to allow a sub-caliber ball dropped down the muzzle to expand into the rifling, and you typically do that with full-caliber balls(or even ones slightly larger than the caliber) in breachloaders.

[NAV]

I vote just rifling + minie ball.

[Chiefwaffles]

Well, I think we should go for both rifling and breech-loading, but rifling should have the first priority as again, they explicitly want accuracy and range over rate of fire.

[Aseaheru]

 Someone will need to knock together a design for a musket-rifle, the current one is just a revision.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Someone going to put up an actual design in this phase, or are you just wanting me to consult the revision attempt?

[Aseaheru]

 It would just be what we attempted with the revision again. Converting existing is good.

[3_14159]

King David Rifled Musket

This is a long-needed update to the venerable Imperial Musket, named for the greatest King of the Empire.
Its main feature is a rifled barrel, which stabilizes the bullet by spinning it. Where a musket could fire out to 140-280 arshin at most, the rifling could make the rifled musket hit to almost 850 arshin.
Previously, such muskets suffered from two issues: One is that the blackpowder residue makes the rifling far less effective after a few shots, the other is that reloading is far slower since the ball has to be wrapped in leather patches and jammed into the barrel to make it grip the rifling. The same invention solves both: The Minnié ball, which our observers have seen used during the Crimean war. It is a metal bullet with a calibre of six line with a conical hollow at the end and grease-filled grooves around it. On being fired, it expands, gripping the rifling and cleaning it from the blackpowder residue at the same time. It comes in a paper cartridge, which is ripped open, the contained blackpowder poured into the barrel then rammed down. The bullet is dropped down afterwards. The rifle is then ready to fire. Well-trained veterans can manage five bullets per minute, but a more realistic rate of fire is three per minute.
Of course, the rifled musket also features the standards established with the Imperial Musket: A percussion lock ensures reliable operation, and a ring bayonet mount for close combat.

[Aseaheru]

 And, as the counter with four votes for it(out of seven cast, wherein one is rather confusing):

Spoiler: Imperial Breach-Loading Rifle (click to show/hide)

Imperial Breach-Loading Rifle

 The Imperial breach-loading rifle is a cap-and-ball design based off of the wooden furniture and various mounting points of todays Imperial Musket, with a few key differences.
 Foremost, the weapon is a breachloader, wherein the breach is designed to be able to pivot upwards when the "bolt"(a sliding block that when closing cams forward the breachblock and prevents it from being raised) is rotated open and thus allows the breachblock to pivot upwards under light spring tension, then allowing one of our soldiers to reload a far shorter segment in a similar manner to what they are already accustomed to.
 Thanks to the bypassing of the barrel in loading, the gun is fitted with a rifled barrel possessing seven sets of lands and valleys, each going to a depth of three points(a total diameter, valley to rise, of five lines, five points); and the breach is similarly sized for a bullet measuring five-and-a-half lines in diameter, ensuring that the rifling is activated, clearing fouling, and thus resulting in a greater range and accuracy while potentially increasing rate of fire and allowing troops to reload while prone or kneeling.
 As based upon the same furniture as the musket, the weapon is the same seven plads long, with a barrel measuring the same five plads, and retains the same provisions for the standard bayonet and sling swivels.

[3_14159]

And, as the counter with four votes for it(out of seven cast, wherein one is rather confusing):

Spoiler: Imperial Breach-Loading Rifle (click to show/hide)

Imperial Breach-Loading Rifle

 The Imperial breach-loading rifle is a cap-and-ball design based off of the wooden furniture and various mounting points of todays Imperial Musket, with a few key differences.
 Foremost, the weapon is a breachloader, wherein the breach is designed to be able to pivot upwards when the "bolt"(a sliding block that when closing cams forward the breachblock and prevents it from being raised) is rotated open and thus allows the breachblock to pivot upwards under light spring tension, then allowing one of our soldiers to reload a far shorter segment in a similar manner to what they are already accustomed to.
 Thanks to the bypassing of the barrel in loading, the gun is fitted with a rifled barrel possessing seven sets of lands and valleys, each going to a depth of three points(a total diameter, valley to rise, of five lines, five points); and the breach is similarly sized for a bullet measuring five-and-a-half lines in diameter, ensuring that the rifling is activated, clearing fouling, and thus resulting in a greater range and accuracy while potentially increasing rate of fire and allowing troops to reload while prone or kneeling.
 As based upon the same furniture as the musket, the weapon is the same seven plads long, with a barrel measuring the same five plads, and retains the same provisions for the standard bayonet and sling swivels.

+1.
(Mostly wanted to show a less ambitious alternative)

[NAV]

King David Rifled Musket

This is a long-needed update to the venerable Imperial Musket, named for the greatest King of the Empire.
Its main feature is a rifled barrel, which stabilizes the bullet by spinning it. Where a musket could fire out to 140-280 arshin at most, the rifling could make the rifled musket hit to almost 850 arshin.
Previously, such muskets suffered from two issues: One is that the blackpowder residue makes the rifling far less effective after a few shots, the other is that reloading is far slower since the ball has to be wrapped in leather patches and jammed into the barrel to make it grip the rifling. The same invention solves both: The Minnié ball, which our observers have seen used during the Crimean war. It is a metal bullet with a calibre of six line with a conical hollow at the end and grease-filled grooves around it. On being fired, it expands, gripping the rifling and cleaning it from the blackpowder residue at the same time. It comes in a paper cartridge, which is ripped open, the contained blackpowder poured into the barrel then rammed down. The bullet is dropped down afterwards. The rifle is then ready to fire. Well-trained veterans can manage five bullets per minute, but a more realistic rate of fire is three per minute.
Of course, the rifled musket also features the standards established with the Imperial Musket: A percussion lock ensures reliable operation, and a ring bayonet mount for close combat.

+1

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

At 2-2 for explicit votes for a design proposal.