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[VoidSlayer]

Maybe we should fix our ERA?  Make it so that one shot doesn't get rid of it all?

We could probably do it as part of a design for a new heavy tank, it would only help that one but we could include it in any new designs as well.

[evictedSaint]

Fair enough.

UF-MBT-45 'King Bjorn' Pattern B

A modernization of the AS-T33.

The King Bjorn is - most critically - a cheap tank.

The King Bjorn maintains the same design as the AS-T33 but features a few upgrades to keep it cooperative with current mobile armor.  The gun is upgraded to the Bjorn's 100 mm and features 4-8x scope sights. The armor makes use of our Mangalloy composition, as well as the Salamander Pattern F's slat+ERA defenses. Smoke launchers are added, as well as the Burning Tiger defense system.  The engine is borrowed from the Bjorn, but the turbochargers are left off to keep oil costs from increasing.  Additionally, the Artemis's air conditioning is integrated to allow the tank to operate in high temperature environments.

If at any point a feature would make the King Bjorn not cheap, it is disregarded. Ideally it will be just as good as the Bull, but better since it's cheap.

[ConscriptFive]

Since all we're in an "counting chickens before they hatch" mood, here's a revision.  Our infantry still don't have an AT weapon.  To hold the mountains outside our capital, lighter vehicles are going to be key.  (See how our Sarukh rocket artillery has evolved role-wise into a pack artillery mountain gun.)  If we hold the desert but lose the mountains, street fighting in our capital is going to choke heavier vehicles as well.

The Canners put out a modern ATGM system, but it hasn't been getting much love because it's too immobile hunt and then evade targets.

So...

UF-RPGM-46 Ribeye Recoiless Rifle Motorcycle Sidecar

The classic AS-M17A motorcycle sidecar has been stripped of its MG and passenger.  It its place, a single 1 1.5 meter long recoiless rifle launcher and two several additional rocket shell reloads for roughly the same weight.  The launcher is on a short tripod that can be aimed, fired, and reloaded from the motorcycle seat with some leaning and reaching.  The Ribeye is a 155 90 mm diameter projectile with a 6 3 kg HEAT warhead.  The Ribeye is designed to ambush modern MBT's, namely the M4A1 Bull, from any aspect for a first shot kill.  The launcher includes a Eagle Sight style 4x optical scope.  What appears to be a bayonet lug has been hastily sketched onto the design document.

It's unconventional, but dirt cheap, tank destroyer that can be fielded in any terrain as well as being air dropped by Trustfall parachutes.  Tech-wise, I'm trying to go for an M67 recoilless rifle, but with a longer tube for better range.

[evictedSaint]

UF-MBT-45 'King Bjorn' Pattern C

A Bjorn tank, but with the super charger taken off the engine.  This reduces the oil cost by 1, dropping the cost from Very Expensive to Expensive.

[Madman198237]

I actually like the concept of the 155mm recoilless motorcycle---it'd literally give us the capability to shoot heavy-artillery shells at the enemy. Those things kill tanks easily, often even on near misses, IIRC. This will have the same explosive content and similarly low velocity compared to a regular AT gun.

However, we're entering the desert. A better option might be mines. Air-droppable AT mines. They don't have to be big, just big enough to throw the track off of a Bull or stop a Raider from moving about. We'll be able to El Alamein the whole flipping desert with a couple of Icebergs and an artillery division.

Speaking of which, we're going to want to modernize our artillery and AT/field gun-type things, try and get an advantage they can't counter with surprise decades-ahead-of-the-curve tech.

[NAV]

Since all we're in an "counting chickens before they hatch" mood, here's a revision.  Our infantry still don't have an AT weapon.  To hold the mountains outside our capital, lighter vehicles are going to be key.  (See how our Sarukh rocket artillery has evolved role-wise into a pack artillery mountain gun.)  If we hold the desert but lose the mountains, street fighting in our capital is going to choke heavier vehicles as well.

The Canners put out a modern ATGM system, but it hasn't been getting much love because it's too immobile hunt and then evade targets.

So...

UF-RPGM-46 Ribeye Recoiless Rifle Motorcycle Sidecar

The classic AS-M17A motorcycle sidecar has been stripped of its MG and passenger.  It its place, a 1 meter long recoiless rifle launcher and two additional rocket reloads for roughly the same weight.  The launcher can be both fired and reloaded from the motorcycle seat with some leaning and reaching.  The Ribeye AT rocket is a 155mm diameter projectile with a 6 kg HEAT warhead.  The Ribeye is designed to ambush modern MBT's, namely the M4A1 Bull, from any aspect for a first shot kill.  The launcher includes a Eagle Sight style 4x optical scope.

It's unconventional, but dirt cheap, tank destroyer that can be fielded in any terrain as well as being air dropped by Trustfall parachutes.

You sir have my vote.

Maybe we should upgrade the motorcycle a bit. It's from 1917. Even though it's a good bike with a perfect engine by 1917 standards.

It could have a simple trigger attached to the motorcycles handlebar, electrically linked to the RR. That way no awkward leaning would be required to fire it.

Maybe it should be usable separately from the motorcycle, on a tripod. Because motorcycles are difficult to aim. That is how the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_150_TAP was meant to be used, with the scooter only as transportation not firing platform.

[Madman198237]

The sidecar, if built properly, should be stable enough when the bike is parked. Just include some elevation and traverse and have a full motorcycle squad (MG sidecars to suppress infantry, second bike with sidecar pulling up behind the first one to load and fire the rifle, boom, instant mobile AT unit with its own infantry-suppression capability).

[evictedSaint]

UF-MD-45-B 'Blackcat'

A variant of the Firecracker.

The United Forenian Mine Dispersal "Blackcat" disperses mines through the use of an air-dropped bomb unit.  Like the firecracker, the Blackcat disperses its payload over a variable area depending on altitude. This is to quickly and remotely spread mines over a large area or through a chokepoint such as a mountain pass.

The mines dispersed can be Anti-Tank, Anti-Personnel, or a mixture of both.

[Madman198237]

UF-MAD-45 'Pegleg'
A variant of the Firecracker.

The United Forenian Minefield Airborne Deployment unit "Pegleg" disperses mines through the use of an air-dropped bomb unit.  Like the Firecracker, the Pegleg disperses its payload over a variable area depending on altitude of deployment. This is to quickly and remotely spread mines over a large area or through a chokepoint such as a mountain pass. It can be filled with any landmine we presently have, each with a small parachute on top to ensure they land softlyish and right-side up. All mines are modified so that when they are released from the dispersal unit, the mine is armed. AT mines cannot be stacked and deployed, but given that we can now rapidly and stealthily (nighttime parachute drops!) minefields the mobility kills we will get should allow us to immobilize and then use artillery against any hostile targets. Oh, and if they start clearing the minefield we can just start deploying the regular-old bombers to make a mess of them.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

ERA improvements.
Work is done to our Explosive Reactive Armor to finally get it to not explode all at once to provide better long term protection for our armored personel carriers and tanks, so we don't lose both the protection of the ERA and the Slat Armor all at once.

[Kot]

UF-RPGM-46 Ribeye Recoiless Rifle Motorcycle Sidecar

The classic AS-M17A motorcycle sidecar has been stripped of its MG and passenger.  It its place, a 1 meter long recoiless rifle launcher and two additional rocket reloads for roughly the same weight.  The launcher can be both fired and reloaded from the motorcycle seat with some leaning and reaching.  The Ribeye AT rocket is a 155mm diameter projectile with a 6 kg HEAT warhead.  The Ribeye is designed to ambush modern MBT's, namely the M4A1 Bull, from any aspect for a first shot kill.  The launcher includes a Eagle Sight style 4x optical scope.

It's unconventional, but dirt cheap, tank destroyer that can be fielded in any terrain as well as being air dropped by Trustfall parachutes.

First of all, yeah, the thing should probably be attached with one (still removable, but still) swiveling joint and then strappable on the other side. This way you can either have it pointing straight forward, which while it shouldn't be used on move, I can totally see our guys doing that, but more importantly when the motorcycle stops you can just quickly unstrap it, rotate towards the enemy target and shoot.
Second of all, there is one thing that we should totally include as a revision to all our previous motorcycles too. Motorcycle scabbards, for guns and swords. Motorcycle cavalry kicking ass and taking names.

[Cnidaros]

I like the idea of motorcycle cavalry, but I don't think it'll see much use in the desert, which is our most crucial front next turn. It would do better just being the recoilless rifle alone - our RPGs are from 1928, if I'm not mistaken. As it stands, I think eS's King Bjorn is the most helpful of the currently proposed revisions.

Regardless, I'm putting in a revision for cheapening the Noose. We literally rolled a 6 on it, but because of its expense it isn't seeing any use. We just need to bring it down by 1 Oil to make it Cheap, countering the Lancer.


UF-SSAM-45 "Caltrop"

The UF-SSAM-45 "Caltrop" is a variant of the Noose Ground-to-Air Missile, with a greatly downsized second-stage to cut back on its prodigious oil cost. The fuel allotment per Caltrop missile should be cut back until the range is halved from that of the Noose or the terminal velocity is in danger of dropping below supersonic speeds, whichever occurs first. This should give Forenia a cheap, short-range surface-to-air missile, hopefully turning the tide in the air.

[NAV]

Hmm. Can the recoiless rifle use our rocket assisted artillery rounds for extra range? I don't see why not.

[ConscriptFive]

Just reworked the Ribeye Recoilless up top.  http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163937.msg7847308#msg7847308

155mm is ginormously huge.  That size was chosen because it was originally supposed to have some guidance, which got scrapped as a Revision Phase design.  The Carl Gustaf today does fine at 84mm, and 106mm were about as big as they got.  We've made enough warheads by now that a 90mm HEAT round should be able to crack an MBT fine.  Better to keep the system lighter with more reloads than carry that much overkill.  I made explicit the gun can be traversed by being on a short tripod.  Sorry for those oversights.

[Madman198237]

Yeah but once we revise up a 90mm recoilless on a motorcycle you KNOW that the only logical next revision is to revise up to 155mm recoilless motorcycle guns, so the motorcycle cavalry divisions can have their very own ultra-mobile artillery corps.