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Glorious Arstotzka

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Total Members Voted: 106

[Taricus]

The Bjorn doesn' adhere to our current names that we already have for tanks. Rename it the Demolisher and it's got my vote.

[evictedSaint]

The Haast doesn't adhere to our naming scheme.
Neither does the Vodka, Zheleznogorod, or the Thunder Bird.

This is a new class of tank - the MBT.  It makes sense the naming scheme changes.

Besides, the name Bjorn has more significance than Demolisher.

[Taricus]

The ships had no naming scheme prior to them being named, and the Haast, again was in a class of aircraft that had no name scheme. An MBT is still a tank however, and last I knew Bjorn had no more significance than the Demolisher as a name. If anything, since I remember Bjorn getting his ass kicked to high heavens in wands race that's probably one sort of mythological figure we'd want to avoid, since I'd like the tank to be on the winning side of an engagement.

And we don't have a thunderbolt. We have lightning streaks and thunder birds though.

[Light forger]

Fellow Forenians I ask you a simple question why do we deny our brave armed forces. Our proud soldiers are faced with enemy troops that they have to wait over half and hours to see them turn into fireworks. We know that Forenia is the best air force in the world but, we still use the decrepit HAFB that is firmly outdated. Even the Haast once a wonder now shows it age and is lagging behind in extremely important roles. I however, offer a simple solution...

UFAF-LB-42 'Strife'
The strife has a simple goal to go faster and higher then any other plane in ever made. In order to do this the strife needs to have both an extremely powerful set of engines and, the lowest amount of drag possible. In order to get the needed power the strife improves our turbofan with an addition spool. This vastly improves the compression ratios and as we all know that improves power and efficiently. Two of these new engine offer an incredible amount of power to the pilot and even more incredible speed. To remove drag a new and futuristic flying wing design was used. Spoilers are also used letting the strife reduce it's altitude and speed far quicker then other planes. The jet engine prevent propeller wash from 'wiggling' the plane and careful modification of the wing design prevent other instability.
It's loaded with a payload of 2 metric tons of bombs offering an impressive payload for a light bomber. Thanks to the extreme lift of the flying wing design, it's powerful engines and, our steam catapults lets the strife just barely lift off our carriers with this payload. For other armaments it's armed two 20mm auto cannon located on either side of pilot(rather then below to reduce drag) and an addition four mounts able to carry half a ton each. Both turbofans are armored with partial cylinder of aluminum armor around each engine. This is no where near enough to stop Cannalan weapons but, stop stray flak rounds from damaging the engines. The cabin is defacto armored from the engines and makes use of a large bulletproof piece of glass to protect the crew head on.
A crew of two pilots this might craft being made up off a pilot and a bombardier within a pressurized cabin. The bombardier has two periscopes one to check the bomb bay and another to look behind the bomber. While the strife is sure to lose a dogfight it's extremely maneuverable for a bomber and thanks to it's spoilers any Cannalan pilots who is too cocky are likely to end up with strife on their tail. The strife can serve as an effective torpedo bomber as while it lacks the extreme armor of the Haast it can complete it's run much quicker. With it's small amount of drag and powerful engine the strife can travel massive distances.
So you must be thinking this sounds alright, but what about speed and altitude? Well their the strife shows it's real strength. As the manual dutifully notes it's cruising speed is high enough that steep dives are quite unadvisable. Further more when testing it's max altitude the strife came back with a wide range of exotic and strange damages, with a few never being recovered. To put it simply the strife can't be intercept at it's max(recommended) altitude the Cannalan quite simply can't fly high enough nor can their flak cannons reach it. Even on lower attitude attack run the strife can out run the Cannalans with ease and can only be hit by ground fire if they are quite lucky(rumor is the Cannalan target computer's air speed dial doesn't go high enough). This means a strife can be launched from a Z-class and bomb the crap out of the drunks in a matter of a minutes and, once again reminding the world that we own the air.

[RAM]

Detection of Enemy Forces By Equipping Aerial Materiel

A project dedicated to reducing the size and weight of our radar systems with the goal of a radar that could be mounted on a flying device the size of the enemy missiles, or at least a fighter. Dense alloys and complex structures to improve shielding, experimenting with different mediums within the internal spaces to stimulate greater efficiency and intensity of emissions, experimenting with triangulation arrays instead of single variable-direction devices, Deployable systems that increase detection range and be retracted to survive combat windspeeds... We will try anythign and everything in an effort to shrink the thing down to the point that our aerial forces will finally have the detection equipment that they need.

So yes, it can basically be summed up as "revise the death ray to be smaller" but to an extend that is beyond the scope of a revision. Early-detection would be a huge boon against their missiles and against interception of our aircraft in general. We can probably use it for a anti-naval missile that would let us destroy their fleets from high altitudes, and would avoid the problem of the missile being as expensive as its target. Equipping a tank with radar would be, well, somewhat nice... And individual radar for every naval turret is not to be scoffed at... And then there is the matter of giving our bombers better target identification and rangefinding... I think that if we can "win" radar then it will stand us in really good stead for the future.

[evictedSaint]

As much as it fucking kills me to say it (believe me - it really does) I think we should probably postpone plans for radar-guided missiles for a few turns.

First off, we'd want to reverse-engineer Cannala's Magic Missiles and steal their targeting tech.  That shit is incredibly advanced for 1942, and it seems like they've spent two or three designs on it (not to mention revisions). 

But to do that, we'd want to have flares developed first this turn to stop the bleeding - which means the soonest we can reverse engineer it is next turn, and then we can start designing an ASM the turn after that.

No doubt an ASM would massively turn the tides of battle, but it'll likely be a design and two revisions to get it out - a revision to steal their tech, a design to build it, and a second revision to fix the flaws.

In the mean time, we need more bread-and-butter tech to keep our forces up to date with the enemy - like a modern tank.

(1) UF-MBT-42 'Bjorn': evictedSaint
(0) UFAF-LB-42 'Strife':

[Chiefwaffles]

(2) UF-MBT-42 'Bjorn': evictedSaint, Chiefwaffles
(0) UFAF-LB-42 'Strife':

I'm mostly voting for the name alone.

[Jilladilla]

Yup, tanks are really the one area we're hurting bad on, so let's go for one, yes?

(3) UF-MBT-42 'Bjorn': evictedSaint, Chiefwaffles, Jilladilla
(0) UFAF-LB-42 'Strife':

[stabbymcstabstab]

(4) UF-MBT-42 'Bjorn': evictedSaint, Chiefwaffles, Jilladilla, stabby
(0) UFAF-LB-42 'Strife':

[Funk]

(5) UF-MBT-42 'Bjorn': evictedSaint, Chiefwaffles, Jilladilla, stabby, Funk
(0) UFAF-LB-42 'Strife':

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Hey guys, fun fact.  We actually do have Star Shells in existence.

Arstotzka's new flak is effective in daylight, especially against Moskurg's slow and low-flying bombers. At night, flares can illuminate bombers briefly, but only in time to aim machine guns. However, Moskurg deploys less Model 2 Hornets this year, so the threat from bombing is reduced altogether.
...
In the mountains, infantry fighting picks up. Arstotzkan soldiers have developed a new tactic: At night, mortars are used to launch flares over Moskurg encampments. Arstotzkan sharpshooters pick off the illuminated enemy soldiers from cover in the darkness.

So we actually do have night vision tech.  We just completely forgot about it.

[NUKE9.13]

I'm no tank expert. But if it is substantially bigger and badder than our other tanks, that's good enough for me.

This does mean that if someone posts a convincing argument for why the Bjorn is shit, I will happily switch my vote.

(6) UF-MBT-42 'Bjorn': evictedSaint, Chiefwaffles, Jilladilla, stabby, Funk, NUKE9.13
(0) UFAF-LB-42 'Strife':

[Kashyyk]

I'm

(7) UF-MBT-42 'Bjorn': evictedSaint, Chiefwaffles, Jilladilla, stabby, Funk, NUKE9.13, Kashyyk
(0) UFAF-LB-42 'Strife':

[Sensei]

UF-MBT-42 “Bjorn”
Main Armament:             100 mm 55 caliber muzzle-braked sliding-block cannon

Does 55 caliber, in this case, mean that the barrel is 55 calibers long IE 5.5 meters?

[andrea]

That was, I believe, the interpretation. Is it a reasonable number?