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Glorious Arstotzka

17 (16%)

Glorious Moskurg

13 (12.3%)

Ingloriously Didn't Play

76 (71.7%)

Total Members Voted: 106

[NUKE9.13]

Racecar Design:
FUN-C.C.C.Car-39-a/b "Commoner's Car: Component Catastrophe"

That's a long design. Could you summarise it?

Our dive bombers can carry 500 kg of payload and our torpedoes were designed 500 kg to fit on them

This is important. We may want to develop a heavier DB at some point, but for now, any torpedo must weigh half a ton or less.

TPD 'DOLPHIN' 38b: (5) evictedSaint, Stabby, Helmacon, Powder Miner, NUKE9.13
UFN-TPD-1938-S 'Lamprey': (1) GUNINANRUNIN

[Taricus]

Our torpedoes aren't going to be that useful compared to getting larger bombs. More to the point the torpedo IS delicate preventing us from air-dropping it effectively. You might want to address that before trying to make it deadlier.

-39a 'Detonator' Ordinance project: Essentially a fancy name for a couple of bombs, this attempt is aimed at getting 500kg and 1 ton HE bombs for our air force to use against the cannalan navy.

[RAM]

Added a summary...

[NUKE9.13]

Our torpedoes aren't going to be that useful compared to getting larger bombs. More to the point the torpedo IS delicate preventing us from air-dropping it effectively. You might want to address that before trying to make it deadlier.

Regarding their fragility:

TPD 'DOLPHIN' 38b.
A magnetic detonator is installed to allow the dolphin to explode beneath enemy ships, hitting their delicate "spines".  The wet-heater motor is also upgraded to allow it to be dropped from further away and travel a longer range.  Wooden breakaway fins let it be dropped more accurately.

It is ridiculous how much better aerial torpedoes get just from sticking a few bits of wood on. See the Mark 13 torpedo: when introduced, it was considered a piece of crap that failed 50% of the time. A few small adjustments to improve the durability of the mechanism helped, but what really made it work was the wooden attachments that slowed its airspeed and improved the trajectory. It went from a 50% failure rate to an almost 100% success rate.

Combine that improvement in performance with a magnetic detonator, and our pilots will be sinking ships left right and centre.

[Khan Boyzitbig]

We will need two branches of torpedo design (one for ship to ship and the other for air launched) but for now improving the air launched torp will boost our destroyers too.

[Taricus]

And how difficult will the magnetic detonator be to revise in to the design?

[Strongpoint]

UFC-RC-1939 'Glorious'
The first Florenian race car is  built around an upgraded version of V10 motor developed for the AS-HF-32b "Stinger" fighter. It uses no materials more exotic than alluminium and complex solutions like rocket boosters or pulse jet engine were denied in early stages of development. What makes the car special is it unusual shape that comes from extensive testing in a new wind tunnel constructed for the racing team. Glorious got a  triangle shaped wing on it s nose preventing the car's low and light frame from becoming an aircraft. Additionally it got an innovative device  called spoiler that disrupts air flow and reduces drag
(To clarify: this action tries to a) develop a competitive racing car, b)try to buff existing fighter engines c) get generic aerodynamics experience)


Yes, I know that I try to fit a spoiler on a race car 30 years before it happened IRL, but it is same as intermediate bullets for assault rifles. It is not hard to do, one just need to get this idea. It is tempting to go rockets, jet engines, new powerful supercharged engines, gas turbine but I think this form is way more practical

[NUKE9.13]

And how difficult will the magnetic detonator be to revise in to the design?

Well. It won't be easy. The magnetic detonator was invented in 1917, but it required a lot of fine-tuning and testing to get it to work reliably. At the beginning of WWII magnetic detonators still had a tendency to detonate prematurely, or not at all*. Britain and Germany managed to improve theirs. The US just gave up and went back to contact detonators.
So, maybe verging into Hard. The wooden attachments should be Trivial, though, so I don't see this being Very Hard. And the benefits would be considerable. A single torpedo can do more damage than a single bomb.


Regarding the race car, I like RAM's design. The Glorious seems to be concerned with actually winning the race? That is not a priority. Taking this opportunity to develop some ambitious new tech is the priority.

"FUN CCCAR" (2): RAM, NUKE9.13
"Glorious" (1): Strongpoint

[Taricus]

Maybe, but given that we're dropping bombs in multitude the damage a single bomb can do isn't too concerning, the bombs of a squadron is another matter entirely, and I doubt those Khornes are as well armoured as even a WWI battleship. A squadron dropping a few one tonners would be able to easily sink them.

As for the race, we can design both an ambition engine AND get the prize as well.

[Strongpoint]

Glorious tries to be a sneak revision for our current fighter as well as action to get a generic experience useful for all future aircraft designs.

I think the car design should be reasonable and quite real OR try to advance a single advanced technology abandoning the hope to actually win (jet engine powered car is something I am ready to vote for if there are support, but that thing will have zero chance to win a race). Trying to squeeze many revolutionary ideas is unlikely to produce a good result.

[Azzuro]

"FUN CCCAR" (2): RAM, NUKE9.13
"Glorious" (2): Strongpoint, Azzuro

[/quote]

Ok, you've convinced me, voting for the Glorious.

I think jet-engined powered racecar is a little too ambitious to work, and I'd rather spend this mini-action on improving our aerodynamic knowledge. Jet Engines are perhaps better saved for an actual design effort.

[NUKE9.13]

Hmm. Perhaps RAM's design does go overboard with new tech.

I don't like the fact that the Glorious is messing about with spoilers and car-shapes, which have very little in the way of military applications, unless we plan on building an APC that travels at 160km/h. As it were. Sure, we gain a little experience with aerodynamics. And maybe we upgrade our V10 a little bit. But we can do better than that, surely? I'd rather design something that explodes on the start line, and gain more experience.

[evictedSaint]

We should focus on building a really good engine that we can then borrow from.  An upgraded V12 would be worth a design all on its own if it's anything like the V12 Rolls-Royce Griffon.

[Strongpoint]

Well, Aerodynamics are aerodynamics and a wind tunnel is a wind tunnel. It should increase general knowledge. One thing we can get from spoiler\shapes is going for a really fast torpedo boats

What can we do? Supercharged engine? It is not strictly better than turbocharged. Same goes for twincharged. Jet engine? I think pushing both for radar and jet aircrafts is just too much. We can't spare designs for two advanced fields of study. We chose radars and, IMO, should stick to piston aircrafts for the rest of the war.

Rockets? It can give us a buff for rocket assisted take off and maybe even rocket artillery\rocket torpedo... It is interesting. I still prefer going for simpler bonuses but I don't mind this direction.

Just designing a very good engine... I think we will just get a good car engine this way. Aircraft engines are not exactly the same as car engines. We can go > make a car powered by a new engine optimized for an aircraft use... but I think Sensei will not tolerate such cheap tactics.  Using new engine for tanks... We really prefer diesel for our armored vehicles. At best we will get a good racing car engine that will give some generic bonuses to future engine designs. I prefer generic bonus to Aerodynamics.

[stabbymcstabstab]

How about this for the Race Car?
UF-39-ARC
A eight wheeled vehicle capable of hit around 60mph on a flat road half that on rougher terrain with its engine, and is capable of fording rivers and short distances from a ship in calm waters. Has a large back area capable of carrying a squad of soldiers or rocket-boosters for racing purposes. Has a spot for a pintle mounted Sorraia for "anti-theft" protection, and has sloped medium armor to allow it to survive any buildings it may hit during the race.