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[Aklyon]

Its a new Ring of Power. One thats even from Mount Doom. That Sauron missed the crafting of.

Its amusingly noncanon to a big degree.

[Neonivek]

Its a new Ring of Power. One thats even from Mount Doom. That Sauron missed the crafting of.

Its amusingly noncanon to a big degree.

1st is surprisingly canon. A few people could forge rings of power or were close to it (Saurumon would have made one had he survived the events of Lord of the Ring)

2nd is surprisingly canon... Lord of the Rings is kind of based on Sauron not noticing important details

Actually I find it somewhat cheap that in the series that Celebrimbor turned out not to be all that special. He was duped but the books make it fairly obvious that it was more that he was chosen because he was particularly easy to fool rather than him being the only one who could do it.

[nenjin]

Missing two hobbits dressed as Orcs and carrying a ring of power through your domain to throw it in Mount Doom, ostensibly because you're running a war, is one thing.

Missing a human cutting through your army like a hot knife through butter, walking up to Mount Doom and pounding out a new ring on your doorstep with what we can only assume is the highest of magic, is quite another. Apparently Sauron has the All Seeing Eye, but his ears don't hear shit.

"Oh don't mind Sauron, I'll only be a day or two more than I'll come kill you. I SAID....ONLY A DAY OR TWO MORE....THEN I'LL COME....KILL YOU."

A few people could forge rings of power or were close to it (Saurumon would have made one had he survived the events of Lord of the Ring)

Nice headcanon.

[Egan_BW]

He don't even have ears. He's all eye.

[Neonivek]

Nice headcanon

No it was said that Saurumon was close to being able to forge his own ring of power. That much was quite explicit.

As well the ones who could have made it are no longer around (either dead or in the Elven Realm). Mostly this is said with how they explain why Sauron chose Celebrimbor. No one else would ever create the Rings of Power.

There is nothing physically stopping people from making rings of power other than know how and somewhat skill.

Nor is, oddly enough, the Rings of power the ultimate ancient artifact in the setting (What even happened to the Ice Brand?)

[Man of Paper]

He don't even have ears. He's all eye.

Post of the Year

[Neonivek]

The bigger question is how do you call forth a Elf Ghost?

Or am I confusing things and it is that Elves could only become ghosts? >_< I swear they don't die right and the whole ritual to bring him back shouldn't have worked for a few reasons.

[Aklyon]

Wasn't that explained in SoM already?

[Persus13]

Nice headcanon

No it was said that Saurumon was close to being able to forge his own ring of power. That much was quite explicit.

Saruman definitely wanted a Ring of Power, and was studying the making of rings, but I don't recall anything mentioning him being actually close to making one.

[ZebioLizard2]

Nice headcanon

No it was said that Saurumon was close to being able to forge his own ring of power. That much was quite explicit.

Saruman definitely wanted a Ring of Power, and was studying the making of rings, but I don't recall anything mentioning him being actually close to making one.

It was listed in the Tolkien notes if I remember right.

[nenjin]

Yeah I had to look it up too. Mentioned in the Simarillion notes or something.

[Dunamisdeos]

NERD POWER ACTIVATE.

So when we say "a ring of power" do we mean one on par with the 20, or the One? Because the craft and knowledge needed to make those was absolutely lost with Eregion. The rings weren't all forged at Mount Doom. There's not even an actual mention of a physical forge in the creation of the One, even. Most of them were made in Eregion.

Spoiler: On the making of a Ring (click to show/hide)

There are apparently other examples of magical rings as alluded to by Gandalf, but the Rings of Power were essentially the high pinnacle of the greatest craftsmen of an age, and even then Sauron had to guide them (hence his ability to sneak backdoors into them, as it were).

So no, the creation of an ACTUAL 21'st ring of power would be well beyond anyone but Sauron and Celebrimbor. The making of another ring on par with the One would certainly be beyond anyone but Sauron, since he was the only person to ever have a hand in it's creation. Saruman was "learned in ring-lore", but this was mostly directed towards locating and utilizing the one. Saruman DID create or attempt to create a ring of power, in that he refers to himself as "Saruman the ring-maker" (I think this is a line from the trilogy, not the Silmarillion?), but his ring is certainly not of note having no demonstrated powers whatsoever, and furthermore is not included anywhere among any lists of the true rings of power.

If you are the same guy from the first one, and you just kind of roll on up to Mount Doom and pound one out with a hammer, it's silly as heck. If he's just making a magic ring that is particularly powerful, that is unlikely but totes possible.

Spoiler: On the notice of Sauron (click to show/hide)

Sauron was distracted from noticing Frodo and Sam stomping up Mount Doom because Everything he ever wanted was being offered up for him at the Black Gate. Aragorn devises the entire ruse for the specific purpose of drawing all of Sauron's attention to it. Sauron's biggest fear was never the destruction of the ring. The idea that anyone would even WANT to destroy it never entered his mind. He was afraid that someone like Aragorn or Gandalf would claim it and destroy him with it. The idea was that there was no way they would do something as suicidal as a direct attack upon the Black Gate unless they intended to use the One.

The first time he realizes that the destruction of the ring is even a possibility is when Frodo puts the thing on at the top of Mount Doom.

At any rate, there is no way that Sauron would not be aware of someone making another ring of power. the only thing I can think of is that someone made one during his long absence at the beginning of the Third Age, but at that time there was no one anywhere who could do it. At that point even Saruman wouldn't have had the time to learn how.

I'm still totally down for it. It doesn't have to be canon to be a fun idea. Also, all of this is based on memory, so feel free to provide passages to disprove me! I like LOTR :3

[nenjin]

If it's a Ring capable of challenging Sauron, then I think it's safe to assume it's on the power level of the One Ring. If you've played through SoM and The Bright Lord DLC it's pretty clear what Celebrimbro thinks is needed to beat Sauron is a Ring that can compete with the One Ring.

[Neonivek]

If it's a Ring capable of challenging Sauron, then I think it's safe to assume it's on the power level of the One Ring. If you've played through SoM and The Bright Lord DLC it's pretty clear what Celebrimbro thinks is needed to beat Sauron is a Ring that can compete with the One Ring.

Given that it didn't take any rings to challenge Sauron.

Though yes the Ring Celebrimbor creates is of very similar concept to the One Ring.

It emphasizes your own attributes and abilities. Though it seems that Celebrimbor's version has sizable differences and weaknesses, for one his needs to grow on the user. As well it is no where close to as powerful even at the height of its power.

[nenjin]

Considering Sauron didn't have the ring in the trilogy, yes, it would stand to reason you didn't need a ring to beat him then either.