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Author Topic: Wands Race - [Moskurg] {COMPLETED}  (Read 199707 times)

Taricus

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Re: Wands Race - [Moskurg]
« Reply #2760 on: July 13, 2017, 03:04:15 am »

The problem with a lighting rifle is getting conductivity to a long-distance target.Also, why go into melee when we can just bomb the living shit out of them and ensure they never even get close?

Also Nuke, that would be a concern if their cannons already didn't require mages and Arstotzka had any spells worth a damn for apprentices to cast.
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« Reply #2761 on: July 13, 2017, 03:09:12 am »

What do you mean? Currently, their cannons require mages on hand to operate cannons. Sure, they may just be apprentices, but that's still a limiting factor. If they can get rid of that they could get even more cannons. Which, as mentioned, is ridonkulous.
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« Reply #2762 on: July 13, 2017, 03:11:18 am »

Yeah, but as the crystals themselves are still magic, and not immune to anti-magic we only need to get a skyskiff that can hold a mage with an anti-magic staff who CAN use it from the skyskiff and those guns are silenced for a while, mage or not.
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« Reply #2763 on: July 13, 2017, 03:19:21 am »

Won't our own skyskiff suffer from the antimagic as well? Unless you're suggesting the mage should hang over the side and make himself a nice target.
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« Reply #2764 on: July 13, 2017, 03:35:09 am »

Well that's why we have to use the revision to do that :P

Mind, once we do do that we can make entire areas completely vulnerable to skyskiff bombing with just the one anti-magic mage shutting down cannons.
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Re: Wands Race - [Moskurg]
« Reply #2765 on: July 13, 2017, 03:43:00 am »

Good call last round guys.
Let us fortify our air advantage. Maybe paratroopers or a bigger version of the skyskiff?

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« Reply #2766 on: July 13, 2017, 03:45:24 am »

Paratroopers we need better gear for, and a bigger skyskiff isn't as good as it could be given our lacklustre ordinance.
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« Reply #2767 on: July 13, 2017, 03:52:10 am »

If people think we need to upgrade our artillery and ordinance I bring back this design:

Lightning Cannon
Inspired by Hyat's thesis on other used for lightning, another student produced an essay on an effect now called mughantisia, magnetism. The principle states that lightning projects a field that can push or pull certain metals. By wrapping a greased barrel with a number of separate coils of iron wire and then discharging a lightning wand through each coil in sequence, an iron projectile will be pulled through the barrel by the coils and will be launched at immense speeds. The majority of the effort here goes into timing the lighting discharge for maximum effect and ensuring the mounting is similar enough to our ballista that the lightning cannon can be easily substituted. As this only uses the mundane effects of electricity, rather than improving on it magically, I believe this will warrant +1.

We can also use Hyat's Research Credit on this.
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« Reply #2768 on: July 13, 2017, 03:58:58 am »

That still has the issue of the projectile not being useful in our current situation; the cannon itself is valid but without high explosive ammo it's not going to do much if it gets into expensive.
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« Reply #2769 on: July 13, 2017, 04:02:42 am »

The iron shell can be modified to include a canister of Heathen's Reward along with some sort of impact trigger, possibly a WoT that discharges into the shell? The detonation should fragment the container quite nicely.
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« Reply #2770 on: July 13, 2017, 04:07:56 am »

The problem is that's not enough to crack their armour, and a large cannon like that needing direct hits to effectively kill isn't viable.
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« Reply #2771 on: July 13, 2017, 04:10:37 am »

We have to start somewhere, and to immediately go for a cannon that you seem to be wanting feel way too ambitious. Surely it'd be better to get something that fits a more modest specification so that we can improve on it, rather than something plagued with bugs?
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« Reply #2772 on: July 13, 2017, 04:14:04 am »

Well, we do have a research credit, so it makes sense we go for something rather ambitious like bane this turn. We get bane and we can practically shoot into modern firearms straight up. (And I have an idea on the lightning/electrical bonus, but that's basically a revision)
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« Reply #2773 on: July 13, 2017, 04:32:35 am »

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Bane:
Learning the lessons from the creation of adamantium and the particular effectiveness of the explosive firestorm and creating a new, far more effective explosive. By effectively summoning this new material we can create a new explosive as effortlessly as we create adamantium. Surreptitiously named 'Bane', this substance begins life as fine powder, capable of blowing up with significant form but relatively stable 'Bane' is means to be used as both a component and by itself: Added to the firestorm mixture it vastly improves the blasting capability whilst also stabilising the mixture preventing accidental detonation, and moulded with resin, water and a bit of tar can be make into an excellent explosive in it's own right which can shatter the crystals right off the arstotzkans.

Whilst I agree that developing higher grade explosives would be a good way to spend our revision, I don't see why we should complicate the process by summoning a new material. It strikes me as an unnecessary risk, considering that our al-Chemists' mundane techniques have been reasonably successful so far.
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Re: Wands Race - [Moskurg]
« Reply #2774 on: July 13, 2017, 04:37:06 am »

It's more so we aren't restricted by mundane limitations on the explosive. And we'd need to spend the design on it as the revision should go to anti-magic being usable from skyskiffs.
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