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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50460 on: February 26, 2023, 03:05:45 am »

Counterproposal: Disband the local law enforcement.  :D

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« Reply #50461 on: February 26, 2023, 08:05:25 am »

Nah, not unless they are awful as a dept as then what to do as a replacement. Surely in general oversight at the local level would be helpful. I worry though that sometimes the response on an individual level may be to do less for what is sometimes seen as an ungrateful public, and if that is applied often enough (such as cultural influence) then have someone run for office on anti-crime with a result that reforms are hindered and an excess of funding is diverted to the security tech industry.

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/02/24/cops-talk-council-member-into-changing-her-mind-on-shotspotter-with-data-that-doesnt-actually-show-its-worth-paying-for/

I understand that it's not easy to build housing projects nowadays but that is something I think would often be a better use of tax dollars, and with priorities elsewhere the barriers to such projects are not surmounted.

I also realized I should have posted that in the thread for policing a short while after I posted it.. Here is a link that is much more appropriate to this thread:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-child-workers-exploitation.html


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It says that temp services are sometimes used as a middleman.

The article makes me wonder if some sort of optional residence academy would be part of the solution.

One thing to remember is the reason that the department is hurrying placements is that there is not enough housing available and everyone remembers the kids in cages of the Trump era. Would a paired school and residence campus be helpful as an option? I don't know enough to venture what to do about the debt mentioned in the article that some owe. Any ideas? Without immigration reform it seems likely these debts will remain a problem without a solution other than child labor; I'm not sure what could be done to not incentivize it; paying the debts would make it lucrative and reliable.

In the short term it seems there should be more done to ensure they stay in school and don't drop out to work at a factory and that child labor laws are not being broken.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50462 on: February 26, 2023, 08:29:58 am »

Contacts with minors are voidable, as far as I'm aware without exception in any state of the US; that is, they can be annulled without consequence to the minor. It's a risk companies take when they make contracts with chilluns, which is one of the reasons any business that isn't skeevy as all hell tends to not do business with them beyond, like, a cash register. If an issue is with underage folks having debts, fucking void the debts. Issuers took their chances, let them choke on it.

I'd probably go a step further and have the sacks of shit that issued the debt to begin with have to pay the kids they tried to entrap double the amount the kid owed, but I'm less sure how legal that would be.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50463 on: February 26, 2023, 10:58:11 am »

That Missouri SB78 also includes two other components, one being:
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There is something to be said about, if the stakes are as high, maybe reconsider your certitudes. One has to be aggressively allistic to feel entitled to be able to trust. But it won't happen to me, my bit doesn't count etc etc... Just saying, after my recent experiences I couldn't trust the public if I wanted to. People got their risk assessment neurons rotten and replaced with game theory. Folks walk around like fat turkeys taunting the world to slaughter them.

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« Reply #50464 on: February 27, 2023, 12:55:56 am »

It's quite likely I am misunderstanding, but a peek at the senate.mo website suggests the article had the bill number and possibly the house of congress wrong.

https://www.senate.mo.gov/BTSSearch/Default
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« Reply #50465 on: February 27, 2023, 10:50:01 am »

It was I that was misunderstanding...  The bill search had indicated SB78 referred to three bills and I thought it was a package deal, but those bill numbers referred to SB78s from previous years.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50466 on: February 27, 2023, 11:36:03 pm »

Biden Administration Plans Crackdown on Migrant Child Labor

The move came days after a Times investigation showed children were working in dangerous jobs throughout the United States.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/27/us/biden-child-labor.html

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50467 on: March 02, 2023, 10:25:12 pm »

WON’T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

I think we should rename them REEEEEEEpublicans.
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« Reply #50468 on: March 02, 2023, 11:01:09 pm »

I think we should rename them REEEEEEEpublicans.

You jest but I'd give them by next year they start shooting trans types.
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« Reply #50469 on: March 02, 2023, 11:10:17 pm »

... next year? I wasn't aware they had particularly stopped at any point in my lifetime. Trans folk have some of the highest homicide victim rates in the country, iirc.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #50470 on: March 02, 2023, 11:16:55 pm »

You know what I actually mean.
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« Reply #50471 on: March 03, 2023, 12:25:04 am »

Trans folk have some of the highest homicide victim rates in the country, iirc.
Er, no? The only estimate I know of on that was from a few years back in the AJPH, Dinno (2017), finding that transgender individuals overall were less likely to be the victim of a homicide than cisgender comparators.
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« Reply #50472 on: March 03, 2023, 12:58:54 am »

There's a study from 2010 to 2014 that says the same. Trans folks are less than baseline likely to be murdered, though the reason might be that white trans folks are more likely to be out, and whites have a lower homicide-victim rate. The study does suggest that black and latino trans folks are more likely to be killed than comparators. (1)

Frumple may have crossed wires with the many studies that find trans folks are more likely to be victims of /violent/ crimes, such as assaults and rapes.

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28727530/
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« Reply #50473 on: March 03, 2023, 03:28:41 am »

That's actually surprising. More likely to be a victim of other violent crimes, but not homicide? Especially since there is the "trans panic defense" exists. Also, considering the recent Nazi-esque rhetoric come from the GOP in the past few years I wouldn't be surprised if it shot up from 2014.
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« Reply #50474 on: March 03, 2023, 04:00:40 am »

I wouldn't be surprised either, though I don't know of any good studies on it so far. I expect the violent crime number might be related to repeat crimes without any support to avoid the situation, but that's also speculation. The violent crime statistic is more recent, I believe. Being about four times baseline in the US and two times in the UK.
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