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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49965 on: November 12, 2022, 10:11:05 pm »

lol. lmao
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49966 on: November 13, 2022, 12:05:08 am »

Now all we need is Trump to split off into his own party and steal a chunk of the Reps votes.
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« Reply #49967 on: November 13, 2022, 09:33:29 pm »

Are there any fascist parties who were in the minority and did not seek to weaken the institutions of the state?

Yes. All of them. Not one of the successful fascist movements created the conditions they used to take power -the weakness in the German system had nothing to do with Hitler, the Spanish weakness wasn't caused by Sanjurjo, Mussolini didn't cripple Italy. None of the failed fascist movements in Britain, America, and France made any real effort to cripple those governments - they all sought to take over the thing intact.
The weakening of the institutions of the state is necessary for fascists with minority political power to rise to majority political power. You can't sell a "I'm the one who can fix it" message unless the thing needs to be fixed.

If the two routes to power, political or military, the Germans took the political and weakened the Reichstag though obstructive voting. With the Reichstag failing to pass resolutions and the street-level tensions constantly escalated beyond the post-WWI problems by NSDAP thugs, the NSDAP profited.

Mussolini didn't need to weaken the state institutions to gain majority political power. The threat of a peasant uprising had the rich people worried about losing their control over the government. Mussolini offered to be their strongman, taking the job of prime minister in exchange for controlling and suppressing the communist peasants. He brought 25k Blackshirts as a dowry to the king and proceeded to use them to commit election suppression.

Maybe this goes back to what you said earlier, that the fascist rise happened slower in Germany and usually doesn't take that long, but no military, no fast takeover. You can see this in Trump's attempts to subvert the government institutions many times to lock in political majority and only then attempting the military coup. By then, his political majority was wobbling.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49968 on: November 13, 2022, 10:05:13 pm »

There was no "weakening" of the German Reichstag in the interbellum republic, because it had no strength to begin with - the post-Kaiser state never, from day one, had the cohesion and legitimacy to actually function. There certainly wasn't any deliberate attempts to weaken it. The sort of planned "gut the state to become the state" machinations you're describing have never happened.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49969 on: November 14, 2022, 01:32:05 am »

The strike starts tomorrow. Wish me luck!
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49971 on: November 14, 2022, 05:04:55 am »

What strike?

And good luck!
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« Reply #49972 on: November 14, 2022, 09:01:58 am »

Have you ever seen The Godfather?

Basically what Michael Corleone does to all the other mob bosses. Maths is brutal.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49973 on: November 14, 2022, 10:47:33 am »

The strike starts tomorrow. Wish me luck!
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49974 on: November 14, 2022, 10:53:28 am »

It’s time to bring back….JEB!
His comeback will be SLOW AND STEADY

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« Reply #49975 on: November 15, 2022, 01:42:33 am »

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« Reply #49976 on: November 15, 2022, 07:27:51 am »

Good luck!
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« Reply #49977 on: November 15, 2022, 01:56:05 pm »

Good luck, solidarity, stick to your guns!
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« Reply #49978 on: November 15, 2022, 05:16:25 pm »

Yeah, best of luck vec, to you and whoever you're running with. Even if it doesn't work out, it's a hell of a thing to have the degree of cohesion needed to try.
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« Reply #49979 on: November 15, 2022, 07:21:46 pm »

Kari Lake lost the governor's race to Democrat Katie Hobbes. I won't say it wasn't close but.....maybe there is hope for us after all if even the Florida of the West can come back from the brink.

Then I was doubly shocked to see that the Democratic Candidate for Arizona Secretary of State beat the Trumper Incumbent rival Mark Finnchem.

Who is the guy Last Week Tonight directly called out (along with Kari Lake) for lowkey admitting they would use the full power of their office to make sure Republicans won. (Finnchem said in an interview once that "if I'd been Secretary of State in 2020, it would have gone for Trump.") Finnchem was an absolute weirdo too. He had a device on his desk with a button that would just repeat him shouting NO.

So both politicians at the top of the hierarchy in AZ were ousted by Democrats. Now we'll see if they have any more shit to pull or if they'll go quietly.
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