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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49320 on: August 05, 2022, 10:16:59 am »

Well, no- There doesn't seem to be a lot of bright side to having a net reduction in savings and buying power. I count on this being a good thing the same way I count on corporations to do the right thing, choosing morals over profit. If unemployment is at a record low, it'd suggest that the income bump is the minimum change required to attract workers, which from the same article, is largely at restaurants/bars/service jobs and increasingly fewer teenagers by count, again, the sorts of jobs that desperate young adults probably carry three of at a time. The 'nobody wants to work' rhetoric has burned through the teenagers who don't see the value in working for peanuts and have some reliance on parental figures, covid burned through the first heap of frontline workers.

I'm no economist, of course, but I find it difficult to see this as a good thing.
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« Reply #49321 on: August 05, 2022, 10:27:35 am »

The incompetence on display from Jones' lawyers is astonishing. How can you accidentally give a digital copy of your client's phone with all the juicy texts and emails to the other legal team?

What was even worse (better?) is the lawyers for the parents told his lawyers they were sent the texts in error, and his lawyers didn’t do anything about securing it as privileged information, so the lawyers for the parents were able to use it in trial.
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« Reply #49322 on: August 05, 2022, 11:11:40 am »

Can we not at least see the bright side on wages going up, even if it is lower than headline inflation?  Why is it always "Oh yeah but it's still useless... woe is us..."

Positivity breeds positivity, negativity breeds negativity...

Because wages increasing at a rate lower than the increase in prices is not a positive thing? If I get an extra $10 a week, but my outgoings have increased $15 a week, I’m out $5.

Positivity breeds complacency. Negativity breeds action.
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« Reply #49323 on: August 05, 2022, 11:21:17 am »

or despair and inactivity, or action that doesn't actually help, or

Personally, I've seen a lot more action and actual good come from positivity than negativity, and the margin is not small. One leading to folks helping people and getting up in the morning, the other leading to bloody putsch attempts or just staying in bed instead of doing fuckall.

Any case, at least going from sho's post, the thing seems to be saying that while inflation's still ahead of wage increases, the overall buying power has increased a bit, which is something that can happen. Just means inflation isn't hitting everything to the same degree, mostly, and what it's not hitting as hard is the stuff used to determine buying power.
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« Reply #49324 on: August 05, 2022, 02:21:44 pm »

You cannot accomplish anything through positivity when the people standing in your way are sociopaths who would send children to die in mines, or create baby powder scarcities and thus starve literal infants to maximize profits. You HAVE to be negative, because at that point, trying to negotiate or convince is pointless, and frankly, delusional. What positive outlook could you have on "Ok how can we positively go about stopping this person from repeatedly twisting the knife they stabbed someone with?".
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« Reply #49325 on: August 05, 2022, 03:09:48 pm »

Being negative doesn't do anything but get you stressed.

Unless you mean something different than I do by "being negative"?  By that I mean - being opposed to something can be a positive attitude.  For instance, you can be opposed to sociopathic rent-seeking in a positive way.

Maybe..."don't be defeatist" is more specific than "don't be negative"?  Don't sit there and crumble!  Fight (hopefully nonviolently) back!  Don't let the sociopaths win!  You can't do that by relying on other sociopaths to do things for you.  You have to get in the game, get motivated, act!

Also I think your analogy is flawed - grabbing someone with a knife to stop them from inflicting further harm is not "negative" - it's forceful perhaps, but it's a positive action.  Negative is standing there going "oh they have a knife, it's terrible but we can't stop them, oh well I hope I'm not next."  Positive is "maybe they'll get me, but I'm going to give 'em hell if they try!"  Positive is definitely "Let's stop them so they can't do it again! If they happen to get me in the process, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to take, but there are more of us than them, let's get 'em!"

Which highlights a key: I posit that the way to combat these ills is with community, not with hyper-individualism, heros, or hoping "the right government" does it.  Maybe perhaps "the right government" would work - but that's a type of what I mean by "the community" - a government is just a community after all...
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #49326 on: August 05, 2022, 03:52:35 pm »

The incompetence on display from Jones' lawyers is astonishing. How can you accidentally give a digital copy of your client's phone with all the juicy texts and emails to the other legal team?

It is pretty astounding.  If I were a conspiracist I might even think he did it on purpose, but it's hard to think of a plausible reason.

Supposedly some of it was turned over to the January 6th investigators as well.  I've seen a lot of speculation on what was included but don't want to get ahead of myself.  It's hard to imagine anyone would give Alex Jones of all people any sensitive secret information.
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« Reply #49327 on: August 05, 2022, 04:01:31 pm »

Have you seen the Jan. 6th insurrectionists? They are not a cautious bunch.
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« Reply #49328 on: August 05, 2022, 04:54:31 pm »

The incompetence on display from Jones' lawyers is astonishing. How can you accidentally give a digital copy of your client's phone with all the juicy texts and emails to the other legal team?

Better conspiracy: If you were defending a vile man like Alex Jones for vile charges like that because it was your job as a defense lawyer, and your conscience demanded that he not get off... how would you resolve this conflict?
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« Reply #49329 on: August 05, 2022, 07:00:48 pm »

The incompetence on display from Jones' lawyers is astonishing. How can you accidentally give a digital copy of your client's phone with all the juicy texts and emails to the other legal team?

Better conspiracy: If you were defending a vile man like Alex Jones for vile charges like that because it was your job as a defense lawyer, and your conscience demanded that he not get off... how would you resolve this conflict?

File a motion to withdraw their representation from the client?
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« Reply #49330 on: August 05, 2022, 07:27:24 pm »

The jury has ordered Alex Jones to pay.....wait for it.......

$45 million in punitive damages to one family.

If nothing else goes right for the rest of my life time, at least I can say this happened.

And there's no telling what January 6th, Perjury and further damage outcomes might be.

You better get real comfortable with Demons! Alex Jones, you're about to be spending the rest of eternity with them. Alive or otherwise.

And it happened in Texas, of all places.
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« Reply #49331 on: August 05, 2022, 07:46:51 pm »

There's a real chance of that getting reduced on appeal, but that's the least of Jones's problems. This wasn't a class action. It was an individual suit, and he's got several more coming. Not to mention, as you say, blatant perjury and links to other crimes. It is incredibly rare for a civil suit to lead to criminal charges, but that's looking likely here.
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« Reply #49332 on: August 05, 2022, 08:58:51 pm »

It couldn’t happen to a cuntier cunt.

My favourite part of this was when he said he wanted to take back his years and years and years of harping on about how this was fake but the media wouldn’t let him, as though going “lol sorry” was good enough for the hurt he inflicted on these people.
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« Reply #49333 on: August 06, 2022, 03:59:26 am »

Being negative doesn't do anything but get you stressed.

Unless you mean something different than I do by "being negative"?  By that I mean - being opposed to something can be a positive attitude.  For instance, you can be opposed to sociopathic rent-seeking in a positive way.

Maybe..."don't be defeatist" is more specific than "don't be negative"?  Don't sit there and crumble!  Fight (hopefully nonviolently) back!  Don't let the sociopaths win!  You can't do that by relying on other sociopaths to do things for you.  You have to get in the game, get motivated, act!

Also I think your analogy is flawed - grabbing someone with a knife to stop them from inflicting further harm is not "negative" - it's forceful perhaps, but it's a positive action.  Negative is standing there going "oh they have a knife, it's terrible but we can't stop them, oh well I hope I'm not next."  Positive is "maybe they'll get me, but I'm going to give 'em hell if they try!"  Positive is definitely "Let's stop them so they can't do it again! If they happen to get me in the process, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to take, but there are more of us than them, let's get 'em!"

Which highlights a key: I posit that the way to combat these ills is with community, not with hyper-individualism, heros, or hoping "the right government" does it.  Maybe perhaps "the right government" would work - but that's a type of what I mean by "the community" - a government is just a community after all...

O yeah, "defeatist" makes everything make much more sense. Or as I've heard a recent word pop up, "doomerism".
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« Reply #49334 on: August 06, 2022, 12:28:21 pm »

please flash in the pan again for me, my droogy buzzword, please flash in the pan again.
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